[Nightmare]

I decided to split this off from Aun's tactica so as not to get it cluttered with off topic ramblings.

The idea is to use izzy's chalice to restore wounds on a vampire lord - sort of like a medic. Just hide her in the middle of the unit to avoid being challenged or killed and your lord has a free wound restored every turn.

A - this means that the Lord is MUCH harder to kill, so unless you kill him/her outright then the Lord will be back up to the full wounds with just one invocation.

B - Means that the crimson gem is more viable as that wound will be guaranteed to be restored next turn.

But how does this sit with the rules? If you read page 73 of the rule book you'll see:

"As long as a character remains in the back ranks he cannot fight or use magic or magic items"

Fighting isn't a problem - she sucks at it. Magic maybe - but she is only Level 1 anyways, so thats not so bad. But what about using enchanted items? Are they the same as Magic items? Or is the different wording intended?

EDIT: Or does that even matter? It's says that: "Isabella, or another wounded vampire in the same unit, may drink from the blood chalice" Does this imply that the vampire, in the front rank, is using the item, not isabella?

[deraj]

That's how it's intended, IIRC. Bretts and lizzies are the only ones I know of who can do that.

Also, that combo made someone lose 7 comp. points out of 10 at simcon, so he changed it :P IE a lot of people know it, and think it's cheesetastic.

[Aun]

Alrighty, time to clear this up.

"As long as a character remains in the back ranks he cannot fight or use magic or magic items"

But what about using enchanted items? Are they the same as Magic items? Or is the different wording intended?

Isabella, or another wounded vampire in the same unit, may drink from the blood chalice" Does this imply that the vampire, in the front rank, is using the item, not isabella?

The Blood Chalice is an Enchanted Item, and therefore, falls under the category of Magic Item, this means basically that Isabella cannot use the Blood Chalice as long as she is in the back rank.

However, at the end of the combat phase in which she refused the challenge, Isabella will move back to the front rank, ready to use the Chalice at the beginning of your Magic phase

Also, that combo made someone lose 7 comp. points out of 10 at simcon, so he changed it IE a lot of people know it, and think it's cheesetastic.

That seems quite unfair.
Isabella, as far as Vampires go, is extremely weak. Hell, I manage to heal my Vampire Lord just fine without her.
Isabella has weak stats, only a level 1, and her only effect is to heal 1 wound!
There's a reason why she's 10 points less than an unequipped Thrall...

[Restayvien]

Sounds good, although my friend has suggested that the benefits gained from her death outweigh her usefullness (if you use her in cinjunction with the other Vamp char).

Or are you using her with a custom Lord? If so I didn't realise you could do that. ^^

[Nightmare]

However, at the end of the combat phase in which she refused the challenge, Isabella will move back to the front rank, ready to use the Chalice at the beginning of your Magic phase

Doesn't your opponent get to nominate which character is sent to the back? Wouldn't that mean that said expensive vampire lord is disregarded?

[deraj]

Originally Posted by Aun

That seems quite unfair.
Isabella, as far as Vampires go, is extremely weak. Hell, I manage to heal my Vampire Lord just fine without her.
Isabella has weak stats, only a level 1, and her only effect is to heal 1 wound!
There's a reason why she's 10 points less than an unequipped Thrall...

Yes, but when combined with another ability that allows you to... I think trade a wound for a magic die? There's a combo with her that just plain hurts, I don't remember what right now.

[Hoarday]

Originally Posted by SILK

Doesn't your opponent get to nominate which character is sent to the back? Wouldn't that mean that said expensive vampire lord is disregarded?

It doesn't really matter if you're using her with a combat lord. Your opponent issues a challenge and you decide who accepts it. So if your enemy challenges you with one of his characters, just make sure you accept with your killy general and tear him apart, meanwhile, Isabella remains in the front rank, watching along with the rest of the unit and healing whatever damage your lord might take from his opponent.

[Aun]

Yes, but when combined with another ability that allows you to... I think trade a wound for a magic die? There's a combo with her that just plain hurts, I don't remember what right now.

True, when you take her with a Vampire with the Crimson Gem, you get an extra power dice.

But seriously, that guy lost 7 comp. points just for getting an extra power dice? I would hate to see what he would do to a Lizardmen army with Slann that gets some extra power dice for each spell...

[deraj]

Sure, but check the simcon thread on the border princes, I started at -2 out of 10 because none of my units were double the minimum size or had banners, and because I had skirmishers. Comp scoring hurts...

[Nightmare]

Comp scores be damned!!

A noob needs as much advantage as he can get. Besides... Iv'e already made the model

So I take it that the idea is to have the Lord accept any challenges, whilst Izzy hides next to him whilst stabbing the enemy rank and file?