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Old 06 Aug 2008, 03:57   #1 (permalink)
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Heya.
Well, I have been wanting to start Fantasy, and the High Elves really appeal to me for a great number of reasons, so I think it would be good to start with them.
Here is a list I have been working on.

Prince with Halberd, Longbow, Armour of Caledor, and Vambraces of Deffence.
= 246 points
Riding a Moon Dragon
Total = 546 points

Lvl 2 Mage with Power Stone, Seerstaff of Saphery
(Lore of Shadows with Unseen Lurker being the chosen spell from the Seer Staff)
= 185 points

Lvl 2 Mage with Dispel Scroll and Jewel of the Dusk
(High Magic)
= 170 points

Unit of 10 Archers
= 110 points

Unit of 10 Archers
= 110 points

Unit of 20 Spearmen, full comand
= 205 points

Unit of 10 Phoenix Guard, Full Command
Banner of Sorcerery
= 230 points

Unit of 5 Dragon Princes with Full Command.
Banner of Arcane Protection. Unit Champion has Enchanted Shield.
= 265 points

Lion Chariot
= 140 points

Tiranoc Chariot
= 85 points

Repeater Bolt Thrower
= 100 points

Great Eagle
= 50 Points

Great Eagle
= 50 Points

Total = 2246 points

7+d3 power dice
4 dispel dice and 2 dispel scrolls

Alrighty, my overall plan is to play defensively at first.
I set up the Spearmen, Phoenix Guard, and Archers out front with my Bolt Thrower in the back for support.
My Great Eagles will hunt Wizards and war machines.

My Mobile units (Chariots, Dragon Princes and Dragon) will lay in wait behind terrain and my blocks of infantry.
I will engage with the Spearmen and Phoenix Guard once the enemy is in range, and then have my mobile units charge the enemy on the flanks and rear with the help of Unseen Lurker.
The Chariots will use the Spearmen and Phoenix Guards Rank bonus and charge on the flanks if they can.

Against a defensive army I will have my mobile units smash into the enemy as fast as possible and use my infantry to mob up.

I have been going with an ancient Chinese theme for the makeup of the army, hence I plan on using chariots whenever possible and perhaps 3 in another list.

So far, the models i have are:
Lion Chariot,
2 Mages
Repeater Bolt Thrower
and the Dragon riding Lord.

So what do you think?
Thanks.
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Old 06 Aug 2008, 20:09   #2 (permalink)
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Hi Aun,

As we discussed yesterday- the list is fairly viable. You have a few heavy hitting elements in there, like the prince on dragon, the dragon princes, and you've got the eagles and chariots as response units. Honestly- the key concern will be whether your early turn shooting is effective enough to keep the enemy's heavies playing conservatively, and how much of your mobile element will be around to do the damage necessary in the late rounds.

I think a lot of opponents will be focused on taking your dragon away- this is a good thing in some ways, as it will allow the rest of your response units time to intercept threats. It's a bad thing in that every cannon, bolt thrower, missle (magic or otherwise) or trebuchet will be looking to clip your rider or kill the beast quickly. It all depends on how you present threats. It's a good idea to try and hit fliers and warmarchines early, but be careful against fliers and fast cavalry designed to flush your dragon out in the open.

Your magic and shooting is balanced, but I'm wondering if you could further optimize your shooting by trading in one unit of archers for a second bolt thrower. That would save you 10pts and give you equal if not better shooting.

I'd also not recommend a longbow on the prince- it just seems a waste of points compared to the dragon's breath weapon. You might look into another sort of missile attack like the Ring of Fury if you had the wargear allowance. Actually- something like that would be great in a unit character.

Just a few more thoughts.

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Old 06 Aug 2008, 23:48   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks Yriel.

Quote:
Your magic and shooting is balanced, but I'm wondering if you could further optimize your shooting by trading in one unit of archers for a second bolt thrower. That would save you 10pts and give you equal if not better shooting.
I would love to do that, but my 3 rare choices are already taken by the first Bolt Thrower and the two Great Eagles.
Taking out Warmachines is going to be critical to the survival of my Chariots and Prince on Dragon, and I don't trust just one Eagle to take care of enemy crew.
Granted they have 3 wounds, but they also only have 2 attacks...

Also, I went out today and got a box of Spearmen and Archers, so I now also have all my Core troops. ;D

I have done a bit of tinkering and here is the new list with a few updates:

Prince with Halberd, Armour of Caledor, and Vambraces of Deffence.
= 236 points
Riding a Moon Dragon
Total = 536 points

Lvl 2 Mage with Power Stone, Seerstaff of Saphery
(Lore of Shadows with Unseen Lurker being the chosen spell from the Seer Staff)
= 185 points

Lvl 2 Mage with Dispel Scroll and Jewel of the Dusk
(High Magic)
= 170 points

Unit of 10 Archers
= 110 points

Unit of 10 Archers
= 110 points

Unit of 16 Spearmen with Full Cammand. Lion Standard.
= 194 points

Unit of 10 Phoenix Guard, Full Command, Unit Champion has Foe Bane.
Banner of Sorcerery
= 255 points

Unit of 6 Dragon Princes with Full Command.
Banner of Arcane Protection. Unit Champion has Enchanted Shield.
= 265 points

Lion Chariot
= 140 points

Tiranoc Chariot
= 85 points

Repeater Bolt Thrower
= 100 points

Great Eagle
= 50 Points

Great Eagle
= 50 Points

Total = 2250 points

7+d3 power dice
4 dispel dice and 1 dispel scroll

I basically bumped the Spearmen unit down and added a few Lion Standard to the unit and Foe Bane to the Phoenix Guard unit.
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Old 09 Aug 2008, 19:23   #4 (permalink)
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Sorry for the double post, but I have made a few changes to the list.

Prince with Halberd, Armour of Caledor, and Vambraces of Deffence.
= 236 points
Riding a Moon Dragon
Total = 536 points

Lvl 2 Mage with Power Stone, Seerstaff of Saphery
(Lore of Shadows with Unseen Lurker being the chosen spell from the Seer Staff)
= 185 points

Lvl 2 Mage with Dispel Scroll and Jewel of the Dusk
(High Magic)
= 170 points

Unit of 20 Spearmen with Full Cammand
= 205 points

Unit of 20 Spearmen with Full Cammand
= 205 points

Lion Chariot
= 140 points

Unit of 6 Dragon Princes with Full Command.
Banner of Ellyrion. Unit Champion has Enchanted Shield.
= 255 points

Unit of 5 Dragon Princes with Full Command.
Banner of Sorcery
= 250 points

Repeater Bolt Thrower
= 100 points

Repeater Bolt Thrower
= 100 points

Great Eagle
= 50 Points

Great Eagle
= 50 Points

Total = 2246 points


Here is an example of my deployment.

Blue is Spearmen
Red is Dragon Princes
Light Grey is Lion Chariot
Dark Grey is Great Eagles
Light Blue is Bolt Throwers
Light Green is the Prince on Dragon

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