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Old 19 Feb 2008, 15:26   #1 (permalink)
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Default My Empire army! (Does it need any tweaks?? @.@ )

Alright, most of you've been wondering where Luy22 has gone to. Been working on my Sons of Sigmar (which, was way overdue since I started them halfway through middle school, and I'm a junior in High school now...) since there are barley any GW in our area, and since we wont really play games at the store, my friends allow me to haxx with my favorite heroes of all time, Gotrek and Felix It's so fun to pit just Gotrek against so many swarmy units XD

Here it is (be warned, even if I don't have Gotrek and Felix, it'd still be 1k pts...) I also put down the states, as, this is my personal referance sheet, though I still have a wee-bit of tweaking to do...

Army name: Reikland 51st

Hero-General of the Empire (Arthur Eisenberg)-
Equipment: Hand Weapon, handgun, Lance, Dawn Armor
Mount: Barded Warhorse
-122 Pts

Hero-Captain of the Empire (Rick Engel)
Equipment: Dawn armor, Dragon bow, great weapon (hammer and sword).
Mount: Barded warhorse
-144 Pts


Hero-Warrior Priest-
Equipment: Warhammer, Hammer of Justice, Armor of Meteoric Iron
-135 Pts

Hero-Level 2 Battle Wizard-
Equipment: Hand Weapon, Armor of Tarnus, Wizard Staff, Biting Blade
Mount: Barded Warhorse
Lore: Fire
-164 Pts

Core-10 Swordsmen-
*Duelist
*Standard Bearer
*Musician
Swordsman

Duelist
-85 Pts

Core-10 Spearmen-
Added equipment: Shields
*Sergeant
*Musician
*Standard Bearer
Spearman

Sergeant
-80 Pts

Core-10 Handgunners
*Marksman
*Hochland longrifle
Gunner

Marksman
-125 Pts

Core-10 Free company
Equipment: Two-handed weapons
*Sergeant
Fighter

Sergeant

-60 Pts

Special-10 Greatswords
Equipment: Two-handed weapon (great weapon), hand weapons, full-plate armor.
*Count's champion
*Standard Bearer
*Musician
Greatswordsman

Count's champion
-150 Pts

Special-8 Knights of the Inner Circle (Brothers of Metal)
Equipment: Lances and Shields
Mount(s): Barded Warhorse
Banner: Banner of the Daemonslayer
*Musician
*Standard Bearer
*Preceptor
Knight

Warhorse
-306 Pts

Rare-Great Cannon-
Crew equipment: Hand weapon
Crew

-100 Pts

Rare- Gotrek and Felix
Equipment: (Gotrek: Rune axe/////Felix: Wyrmslayer Blade, light armor.)
Gotrek

Felix
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-Felix(162)
-Gotrek(313) Pts


Total: 1970 points

EDIT - Veq
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Old 19 Feb 2008, 16:30   #2 (permalink)
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Come on dude, you know better by now than to post unit stats and special rules. I've edited it all out.

With regards to your list you really need some more bodies in it, you have tied way too many points into characters.

None of your units will ever win a combat besides the Knights, you definatley shouldnt be giving throw away units like that a full command.

You need big solid units, with character support and detatchments.

Your heros don't need those shooting weapons. Your wizard needs more magic defense.

Needs a major re-work if you want it tobe competative.
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Old 19 Feb 2008, 19:47   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: My Empire army! (Does it need any tweaks?? @.@ )

Ugh, I suck at makin lists... I'll give it a shot...
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Old 19 Feb 2008, 23:35   #4 (permalink)
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Do you already have many models that you want to include? any preferences? or can we go wild as you have still to buy the stuff?.

If we can include whatever I would start out with 2 solid infantry blocks, you seem to like Greatswords, so lets start with those -

How about;

20 Greatswords;
Full Command.

Detatchment -
9 Swordsmen [3x3].

20 Spearmen [As they are in your list, im assuming you already have them, if not, make these swordsmen];
Full Command.
Joined by Priest.

Detatchment -
9 Swordsmen [3x3].

Detatchment -
8 Handgunners.

5 Inner Circle Knights ;
Full Command,
Warbanner.

Joined by mounted Hero.


I'd say thats a solid base to start your army around, then you can add and tweak things so you get a list that suits you from there.
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Old 20 Feb 2008, 01:19   #5 (permalink)
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Gah! Detachments! How can you play an Empire amry without detachments! It's unheard of!

First off, slim the Heroes down. A lot. Drop the Handgun. Drop the Dragonbow. Drop the Armor of Tarnus.

Next up, your core units. Never, EVER take units of 10 unless they're detachments! Take 20 in the main units, with at least one detachment of 10. A good single core choice is 20 Swordsmen, 10 Halberdiers as a detachment, and 5 Archers the screen the two of them. Remember that Detachments never cause panic when they run through a unit, so let the Archers up front get shot to pieces rather than the valuable Parent unit and Detachment. This way when you get into combat you're fighting at full force (Empire soldiers can't actually kill anything effectively, but always have 3 ranks, a flank, a standard and Outnumber gives you +6 combat res to start, and negates your opponents rank bonuses, meaning that the opponent need to kill 7 of your soldiers and you need to not kill anything if they want to beat you, or only kill 6 if they have a Banner).

After that, forget about Greatswords. They're overpriced for what they do, which is always go last in combat and have a save that's overrated. Swordsmen have the same save in close combat for 4 points less. Just think about that. Next up, Gotrek and Felix? Why??? They just won't meld with the army very well. Your Rare slots are better used by Helblaster Volley Guns. Get 2, it's a 2k list! They're unstable, yes, but by the time they blow themselves up they've probably put a hurting on whatever you're up against.

I'm not going to tell you what to take though. In fact, I've already told you too much of what to take, and I'm kicking myself for it. I only want to tell you what works. If you really want inspiration, and trust me, this seriously helps with building Empire lists, try searching for some Roman Legion tactics, and check out remanlegions.com. That guy really knows how to use an Empire army...
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Old 20 Feb 2008, 02:08   #6 (permalink)
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Will do.

And it seems I am going to have to pay another visit to zeh store... I've got a unit of 10 swordsmen, 10 greatswords, and 10 spears... and 10 handgunners... and 8 knights, a cannon (and crew), a general, captain, priest... and a mounted bright wizard...
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Old 20 Feb 2008, 23:22   #7 (permalink)
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I dont think Greatswords are over priced. Stubborn is amazing.

The models you already have are fine Luy22, just expand them so that you have the base I suggested, then add whatever else you like to the list.
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 00:12   #8 (permalink)
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I dont think Greatswords are over priced. Stubborn is amazing.
Let's not go crazy here, stubborn is good. However, amazing is certainly overstating things, considering you're paying 10 points for an ability that you won't have to use if you play smart. With proper detachments the Greatswords would be screened from incoming missile fire (they'll be out of range most of the game if my games are any indication - the Empire has about as much of a reason to move as Dwarfs), and will always have outnumber and flank on the opponent, and 3 ranks if you were willing to pay the points for it (I am). Then take a standard for another +1, at least to break even against an opponent's standard, and your opponent has to kill 6 models to win, assuming you kill none. If your opponent has killed that many models and you can't hurt him, then you're screwed either way and Stubborn is only delaying the inevitable. The save is entirely negligible, as Swordsmen have the same save in CC and cost just more than half as much. So you're paying the extra points to carry around an oversized meat cleaver (this is not to say that there is anything wrong with huge meat cleavers. In fact, I'm a fan of huge, heavy, sharp objects. They just aren't worth all the extra points)?

Sorry if it sounds like I'm downtalking Greatswords. I just don't think they're worth the points like other people do. Now, if the price dropped a couple points I'd be all over them, but not as they are now, a high body count is more important to keep your enemy taking the break tests instead of you.
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 02:21   #9 (permalink)
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Did I also forget to mention, my enemies are: Ogres, Dark Elves, Skaven, and Khorne hordes of chaos.
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Then greatswords are definately worth it. Stubborn will prove very useful against all of those armies.
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