[Death-Merchant]

I wanted to know if an opponent trying to assault a squad supported by the Venomthrope has to roll for both difficult terrain AND dangerous terrain, or just dangerous terrain? Or are they one in the same?

[Masked Thespian]

I cannot comment on the Venomthrope, since my copy of the Codex hasn't come in yet, but I can say something on the nature of difficult and dangerous terrain tests.

Difficult terrain tests and dangerous terrain tests are completely separate things. It is possible to take a difficult terrain test without taking a dangerous terrain test (e.g. moving normally through a forest), it is possible to take a dangerous terrain test without taking a difficult terrain test (e.g. Jump Infantry using their Jump movement to land in a forest), and it is possible to take both at once (e.g. moving normally through a dangerous city ruin in Cities of Death).

Difficult terrain tests and dangerous terrain tests are described fully on page 14 of the rulebook; you may want to go there and have a quick reread.

[Death-Merchant]

I checked the page out as well. The venomthropes rules says that any units trying to assault a unit protected by him have to take a dangerous terrain test.

[Masked Thespian]

Since it does not seem to specify that you take a difficult terrain test (or "count as moving through difficult terrain" or something similar) then you ONLY need to take a dangerous terrain test.

[Scout Sergeant Mkoll]

Originally Posted by Masked Thespian

Since it does not seem to specify that you take a difficult terrain test (or "count as moving through difficult terrain" or something similar) then you ONLY need to take a dangerous terrain test.

This reasoning seems to be fine by me. Nowehere in the rules does it sy that Dangerous Terrain test also forces a Difficult Terrain test.

Mkoll.

[Death-Merchant]

Originally Posted by Scout Sergeant Mkoll

This reasoning seems to be fine by me. Nowehere in the rules does it sy that Dangerous Terrain test also forces a Difficult Terrain test.

Mkoll.

I agree, there were just some rumors that said difficult terrain and some said dangerous. So I was wondering if a dangerous could also be a difficult as well.

[razgriz_cipher]

Originally Posted by Sneezy Panda

I agree, there were just some rumors that said difficult terrain and some said dangerous. So I was wondering if a dangerous could also be a difficult as well.

It probably can be if the venomthrope is in cover.

If you have the venomthrope in a part of cover that is difficult terrain then you could get both. Infantry and jump infantry will have trouble assualting them then.
I do not have the codex yet though.

[Scout Sergeant Mkoll]

Originally Posted by doctor_wu

It probably can be if the venomthrope is in cover.

If you have the venomthrope in a part of cover that is difficult terrain then you could get both. Infantry and jump infantry will have trouble assualting them then.
I do not have the codex yet though.

Ah, well spotted. Yes, I'd say if the Venomthrope, or a unit benefitting from its spore cloud, is in cover then an assaulting enemy would have to test for both. If the squad being charged is only in range of the spore cloud then only a dangerous terrain test would be needed.

Mkoll.

[major_rawne02]

As mentioned everything is seperate. If it doesn't say that the spore cloud forces a difficult terrain test, then it doesn't.

[AussieLauren]

It might be worth noting that there is no mention that dangerous terrain is also difficult terrain. (rulebook pg 14)

Both are discussed seperately for moving into assault (rulebook Page 35)

IMPORTANTLY;

Originally Posted by Rulebook, pg36 "Assaulting through cover"

If an assaulting unit had to take a difficult or dangerous terrain test during it's assault move all of its models have their initiative lowered to 1 when attacking

So make sure you are getting to strike first! (And btw, I think this makes them more useful than their cover save)