[flowerfall]

This is not my list, I am a Grey Knight Player. I don't Vs Nids much, when my friend came over with his Nid army and we gamed he left his list behind by accident and I am posting it to see if i was jibbed of a fair battle.

1000 pts for Grey Knight Daemonhunters allied with 1000pt Space wolves
VS.
2000pt Nids

This is Nid Army List( point out whats illegal in this whole list please )

Hive tyrant
Adrenal Glands
Acid Maw
Enhanced senses
Extended Carapace
Toxin Sacs
Toxic Miasma
Implant Attacks
Winged
Scything talons
Rending claws
Warp Blast
The Shadow in the warp Total= 187 pts

Retinue
3 Tyrant guard
Scything talons
Rending claws = 125 pts

Troops
Gene stealer Brood
12
Acid Maw, Extended Carapace, Implant attaack, Scything talons, Rending Claws, toxin sacs. 95pts

Troops
Same as above - 95 pts

3 lictors
scything talons and rending claws= 180pts

Broodlord
Adrenal glands, Extended carapace, Feeder tendrils, Toxin sacs, Rending claws, Scything talons
Broodlord Gene stealer Retinue
12
Acid Maw, Extended Carapace, Implant attaack, Scything talons, Rending Claws, toxin sacs. total= 176

18 (6 in each unit ) Ravener Brood
Scything talons
Rending claws
Deathspitter 140 x 3 =420 pts

32 Gaunt Brood
80pts

10 Ripper swarms
Adrenal Glands
Ehanced senses
Extended Carapace
Toxin Sacs
Leaping
Spinefists 2 = 111

3 Zoanthropes
warp blast pyschic scream = 100

2 Carnifex
Acid Maw
Adrenal Glands
Bio Plasma
Bonded exoskeleton
Enhanced senses
Extended Carapace
Regenerate
Reinforced Chitin
Spine Banks
Symbiote rippers
Tail weapon mace
Toxin Sacs
Toxic Miasma
Tusked = 240 pts

6 biovores
Frag= 140pts

18 (9 together) Tyranid warriors

Adrenal Glands
acid maw
Bio Plasma
Enhanced Senses
Extended Carapace
Leaping
Toxic sacs
Venom cannon
scything talons = 240 pts

Now a cheat is only a cheat if he has a lacking oponent and this is what i am, I know nothing about tyranids and it would pay to know something. This guy tried to equip every warrior with Venom Cannons and his Ripper Swarms 24" shooting range.
Carnifex with fleet, Raver and swarms with fleet. I don't know whether Warriors get fleet. But I know he had too many Heavy supports although your Carnifex if equipped with a certain pt cost can be cast as elite. Though he didn't field this rule I read his book.

Take more time with your posts. Next time's a smite. Seriously dude, just give it a brief read through. - Phage

[alcibiates]

Messaged you on msn, worked it all out.

For anybody who wants to know: The list is 5213 points.

[MikeH]

Alot of these options are very illegal... such as the extended carapace + wings. This seriously irritates me. This player needs a good beating in a fair game.

[citizen_kodo]

Hive tyrant
Adrenal Glands
Acid Maw
Enhanced senses
Extended Carapace
Toxin Sacs
Toxic Miasma
Implant Attacks
Winged
Scything talons
Rending claws
Warp Blast
The Shadow in the warp Total= 187 pts

Ripped you bad___should be 251 pts, have only a single additional Psy Power (Warp Blast or Shadow), can't use Enhanced Sense in conjuncture with the Str10 Ap2 Warp Blast and can't have Extended Carapace if Winged. Totally illegal.

Retinue
3 Tyrant guard
Scything talons
Rending claws = 125 pts--->should be 135

Should you buy a Retinue for any Character, including in this case the Tyrant, you can't separate it from said retinue at any time, so you can't have the Tyrant fly freely away from its Guard Retinue, under any circumstances, as long any of those Guards are alive.

Furthermore, when a Character that's attached to another squad or has a retinue and there's different types of movement allowed to any of those, the whole squad always moves at the speed of the slowest.
In the case of this Winged Tyrant and its Tyrant Guard retinue, the Guards move the slowest, at 6" per turn as for any other infantry model. Since the Tyrant is in unit with them and it's stuck with them, it will also move of only 6" per turn, always remaining in formation with them.

Troops
Gene stealer Brood
12
Acid Maw, Extended Carapace, Implant attack, Scything talons, Rending Claws, toxin sacs. 95pts
Should be 34 pts each, for a total cost for the whole unit of 408 pts!!
Otherwise, there's no other discrepancies in his Biomorphs choices, other than ripping you royally.

Troops
Same as above - 95 pts---->408 as above

3 lictors
scything talons and rending claws= 180pts---->should be 240 pts

Broodlord
Adrenal glands, Extended carapace, Feeder tendrils, Toxin sacs, Rending claws, Scything talons
97 pts by its lonesome.

Broodlord Gene stealer Retinue
12
Acid Maw, Extended Carapace, Implant attack, Scything talons, Rending Claws, toxin sacs. total= 176
Should be 408 pts for solely the Retinue, for a total of [glow=yellow,2,300]505[/glow] with the Broodlord.

18 (6 in each unit ) Ravener Brood
Scything talons
Rending claws
Deathspitter 140 x 3 =420 pts---->should be 828 pts
They move as Beasts/Cavalry, so those were okay in their moves, i.e. Fleet+12" charge.

32 Gaunt Brood
80pts
If Spinegaunts, should be 160 pts; if Termagants, 192 pts.

10 Ripper swarms
Adrenal Glands
Enhanced senses
Extended Carapace
Toxin Sacs
Leaping
Spinefists 2 = 111
Should be 250 pts. Also, while Leaping does grant them a fast charge of 12", it doesn't grant to any Nids a Fleet move, unlike for most other figs able to charge 12". Their Spinefists only shoot at 12" tops.

3 Zoanthropes
warp blast psychic scream = 100--->should be 195 pts

2 Carnifex
Acid Maw
Adrenal Glands
Bio Plasma
Bonded exoskeleton
Enhanced senses
Extended Carapace
Regenerate
Reinforced Chitin
Spine Banks
Symbiote rippers
Tail weapon mace
Toxin Sacs
Toxic Miasma
Tusked = 240 pts
Illegal from the get-go, as these don't have any Weapon Symbiote listed (2 are required).
The closer in pts in accordance of his list, as they're 243 pts each, for a total of 486 pts.
Fex aren't allowed to Fleet at all, for balance reason (a pity though...).
Fex use a single Hvy Support (or Elite, though not in this case) Force Organisational Slot each.
Fex used as Elites can cost no more than 114 pts.

6 biovores
Frag= 140pts
Cannot have more than 3 Biovores in a single army list. The total's at 300 pts.

18 (9 together) Tyranid warriors
Adrenal Glands
[glow=red,2,300]acid maw[/glow]---->Illegal on Warriors
Bio Plasma
Enhanced Senses
Extended Carapace
Leaping
Toxic sacs
Venom cannon
scything talons = 240 pts
Should be [glow=green,2,300]1116[/glow] pts!!
As you've correctly guessed, these can't Fleet (see my note on the Rippers above) and can only have a single Venom Cannon per Brood!

[glow=red,2,300]ARMY TOTAL= 4454 pts!![/glow]

Needless to say, you've been ripped, or should I say mauled, extremely badly. Punish that sick individual as you see fit (within societal and legal limits of course__be creative >), as that imbecile gives a bad name to Nid players everywhere.

[alcibiates]

Oh, but Kodo, you've missed some things. I don't have my list here, but we spent about 30 minutes on MSN working out everything.

The funniest thing I saw: He said that every warrior had a venom cannon.

A couple other things like giving WS glands to the Broodlord(don't exist), uhmmm... I can't remember the really funny ones, but oh well. When I get back to my other computer, I'll post everything, I was just worried about breaking copywrites.

[Bash]

Originally Posted by alcibiates

Oh, but Kodo, you've missed some things. I don't have my list here, but we spent about 30 minutes on MSN working out everything.

The funniest thing I saw: He said that every warrior had a venom cannon.

A couple other things like giving WS glands to the Broodlord(don't exist), uhmmm... I can't remember the really funny ones, but oh well. When I get back to my other computer, I'll post everything, I was just worried about breaking copywrites.

The Broodlord and Retinue made me laugh so much...hahaha...what kind of sick individual needs WS7 :

[alcibiates]

Originally Posted by Bash

The Broodlord and Retinue made me laugh so much...hahaha...what kind of sick individual needs WS7 :

:slowly raises hand: My DE Lord can have 8WS.
Really, I prefer 7WS with re-roll misses. Oh well.

Sadly, I can't get on my other computer 'cuz my mom is crazy, so I can't get you the full list until tomorrow. Flowerfall should have a copy if he'll post it up for us ^^

[citizen_kodo]

Oh well, it isn't important at this point to count a few hundred pts of more or less; the point is that I never thought someone would rape a list that much in this manner.

The lesson is__always read the other armies' codices when you've got the opportunity. Forwarned is forearmed!!

[Gada Mazaha]

Whoa, you better beat him up well. I hate players who do that.

[Wrathbringer6]

Wow, just wow. I've NEVER seen anyone abuse a list so badly, and did he proxie any of that?! He's got about 133 models in that! I've only ever seen that many in a hypothetical Ork army!

Originally Posted by flowerfall

Retinue
3 Tyrant guard
Scything talons
Rending claws = 125 pts

Here's something else that's illegal, Hive Tyrants with wings cannot have Tyrant Guard (if I remember correctly). And you can't attach them to Carnifex's anymore, like in the previous codex either.

Here's a tip, whenever someone has more than a hundred models in 2000 points and they're not Orks, they are probably cheating.