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Old 23 Aug 2005, 18:49   #1 (permalink)
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Do you think it's worth it to give your fish, in a mech tau list, the upgrades to allow them to shoot better? Namely, the multitracker and targetting array.

A properly outfitted fish always has decoy launchers, IMO. Adding the shooting options brings its price up to 100 even. Across an average army, the increase can average 30-75 points.

Do you give your fish these options? Or do you just stick with the 85 point, decoy launcher fish? Or no decoys at all?
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Old 23 Aug 2005, 18:53   #2 (permalink)
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Do you think it's worth it to give your fish, in a mech tau list, the upgrades to allow them to shoot better? Namely, the multitracker and targetting array.

A properly outfitted fish always has decoy launchers, IMO. Adding the shooting options brings its price up to 100 even. Across an average army, the increase can average 30-75 points.

Do you give your fish these options? Or do you just stick with the 85 point, decoy launcher fish? Or no decoys at all?
im coming to the conclusion its the best way to outfit a devilfish, personally. 5 shots. on average, 3 hit. as good as 60 points of fire warrior. far more survivable. and far more mobile.
and when SMS options are given to fish (and i pray fro twin burst cannons) as a gun drone upgrade, i will take them too. Nothing nicer than 7 bs4 s5 shots. and an AV12 tank is far more survivable than a t3 4+ infantry model.
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Old 23 Aug 2005, 18:58   #3 (permalink)
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I totally agree.

I always put a multitracker on my FW 'Fish (but not PF 'Fish) along with the requisite Decoy Launcher. I don't usually opt for the Targetting Array, but that will change when/if the SMS/BC options come into play.

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Could I also ask a Devilfish question since this topic's here.

My frien who plays Tau uses pathfinders (and of course he has to take the Devilfish with them.) However he doesn't really know how to use it against Eldar and just regards it as a points sink. How should he equip it and what sort of basic strategies should he use to make it worth the while?

I play a fairly standard vanilla Eldar list, with guardians, plenty of aspect warriors, a wraithlord and usually a wave serpent (with bright lances) (for those of you who know how the Eldar army works.)
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I don't use the shooting options, being a Seeker fan. I just outfit a Seeker to the FW Devilfishs and 2 onto the Pathfinder Devilfish. I prefer to use Multi-Trackers on Hammerheads, as a simple Burst Cannon isn't much to spend 10 to 15 points on, and the drones shoot as a seperate unit entirely.
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Hmm, I guess you're right. The drone upgrade entry says "in addition to any other weapons that would normally be permitted to fire". So you can move 12 inches and fire the drones without a multitracker? Hmm.

Another question then. Does the devilfish have to stay in coherence with its fire warriors? If I'm not going to fire the burst cannon, there's no reason for me to not keep the fish moving.

On the other hand, I could leave it stationary and not need the decoy launchers, but be able to fire the burst cannon.
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Another question then. Does the devilfish have to stay in coherence with its fire warriors? If I'm not going to fire the burst cannon, there's no reason for me to not keep the fish moving.
No, it doesn't. Just the same with the PF one. A nasty tactic with it is to put the PF on a flank with the Devilfish, and move up the PF Devilfish to the back of a tank that is closing into the FW from the center. Then move the PF so it is in view of the tank and light it up. Then fire a seeker at the back of the tank, usually getting a penetrating, or at least a glancing, hit.

But with FW, I wouldn't let the Devilfish leave. And I would only do the PF DF tactic stated above when I know the PF will be safe and won't need quick transport away.
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Every Tau Devilfish I use is always at a minimum 100 points.

In a Mech Tau (or any style) army:

Multitracker - The ability to more 12" and fire is essential.
Targetting Array - The ability to hit on 3's is crucial. Never EVAR underestimate BurstCannons!
Decoy Launchers - Are just lifesavers. *I've have immobilized results constantly battered down to shaken or stunned results with these upgrades. *That's one more turn or unit that needs to shoot at it to try and bring it down.

Seeker Missiles Aside, the extra points in upgrades is COMPLETELY worth it. *And in a Mech Tau army, to have your opponent stare down 4 - 5 Devilfishes knowing how frustrating it will be to crash them, can give you the edge you need.

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I take it you don't like Seekers. All you have to do is get a PF squad to shine on anything and that thing does bye bye. Sure, it can get expensive, but I think it is always worth it, and is a pain in the arse for a marine player when I unleash a salvo of Seekers onto his Terminator squad, or all of his Rhinos. > I'll consider using the Targetting Array on the Devilfish as its as cheap as penny candy and is a good upgrade. I just can't wait until the Devilfish can take the SMS, as I'd take that over the Burst Cannon or Drones any day.
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Could I also ask a Devilfish question since this topic's here.

My frien who plays Tau uses pathfinders (and of course he has to take the Devilfish with them.)* However he doesn't really know how to use it against Eldar and just regards it as a points sink.* How should he equip it and what sort of basic strategies should he use to make it worth the while?

I play a fairly standard vanilla Eldar list, with guardians, plenty of aspect warriors, a wraithlord and usually a wave serpent (with bright lances) (for those of you who know how the Eldar army works.)
are you asking how to use his pathfinder's or the devilfish?
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