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mantas vs. titans
View Poll Results: who do you think is the more powerful
mantas 31 79.49%
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Old 17 Jul 2005, 03:17   #1 (permalink)
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Default mantas vs. titans

there has been a debate on which of these units would be most powerful, so give your reasons here and vote away!
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Due to the lack of information (stats etc) about the manta.. the only basis of this is from the codex fluff :\ (probably just some Tau propaganda :P)

But I think Manta's are more powerful.. or at least when they outnumber titans..
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My vote goes to Mantas - heavy weaponry, massive shielding and armour, huge transport capacity. *Even more importantly, they are more common and much more mobile - if things go badly, they don't plod away, they go orbital!
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my vote had to go to titans as they rarely actually have to plod away due to the fact that when they are around things generally go the imperiums way unless there are opposing titans. Titans are usually either HUGE decked out with shields and enough guns to flatten a city (Imperators ) or hunt in packs who can coordinate thier fire at key targets to utterly destroy them eg. warhounds.
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I vote manta simply because of the purpose.
Mantas are first bomber, second support/transport crafts.
Against small targets, a Manta would have to slow down to get good bearing to actually hit thier target, but against a massive target (hence, Titan), it's simular to shooting down a small and slow escort craft. Shoot a few heavy rail slugs from low a few hundred meters in the air, and the Titan will go boom.
Even if that doens't work, they could just lather rinse and repeat.
Titans are designed around a anti-army scale, not in anti-fleet scenarios. A small wing of Mantas could drop ontop of an army of Titans, and blow them up before much of a response can be mustered.
Titans have two things going for them generally: Armour and weapons.
Mantas have two things going for them generally compared to a Titan: Mobility and weapons.
Mobility (and especially to the extent of a Manta) is worth much more than the armour of even a SuperTitan. If the shot doesn't hit, then it's the same as the guy not have fired in the first place. A chink in the armour is still a chink in the armour, and enough chinks can make even the biggest monster fall.
Also, with the profile of a Manta, it's weapons are far superior to that of lighter Titans, and at least rival those of SuperTitans. They can puch through the armour of the smaller vaiants with ease, and takes only a few shots against a Super, since a SuperTitan still can't compare it's armour to a Battle Barge.
Mantas generally are geared for a different purpose, but their design is perfect against Titans, and for the information I have, I'd say that a Trio of them could beat even the largest Titan with ease.
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I believe that the masses have spoken mantas have won the vote unanamously (only I voted for titans) so with that I close the voting
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One word folks:



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I say the Manta. The manta is a spacecraft and it was able to fend off imperial cruisers.....for awhile. The fact that they took down or badly damaged the imperial fleet shows us how power they are. During the Domaceles crusade, on the ground, the imperials did the old spear head charge. 3 titans as the spear head. 2 of them were wiped away by a single manta and the other by infantry. The manta its self is much larger than titans. If u put 6 imperial titans in a bolling pin formation, that would be a little big than the Manta. Its incredibily large, being able to hold 16 units. A battle suit units count for 2 and even carry 4 tanks. It makes the orca look like a size 3 children's shoe box. To actually make a model of this, not Epic model, will take up maybe what 3 feet wing span I could be exagerating but its that big.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Bat.htm

will show u pics and the second or thirnd show u the size of the Manta compared with a titan or just google image tau manta pics and u c it there too. The weapons on that ship will blow anything away. 2 heavy rail guns, 2 heavy ion phalanxs, and about 16 turret burst cannons. This thing will take out the heaviest armor and wipe away infantry like a hurricane, no pun intended. Not to mention its thick shields that don't absorb enemy fire but reflects it. The Manta is bigger, has more fire power, and looks kewler than the Titan hands down.
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5 feet wingspan, I got it from GW members through the Taros Campaign book
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There is also one other thing. The Manta is the only vehicle in this class that can go FTL. It states in the Tau Codex that they have a "Ether Drive". They are not as fast over interstellar distances as warp drive, but still they can go faster than light. This means that if the fight is going that badly that they can leave very quickly.
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