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Old 19 Sep 2009, 22:53   #1 (permalink)
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Default no weapon battlesuit

I was readig this online
is an xv8 battlesuit with no weapons a good idea
with a 18 in. run and jet pack rule. It could deal some damage against some armies
Armed with a shield generater, making it more durable and costing few points.

Any thoughts
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Old 19 Sep 2009, 23:27   #2 (permalink)
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An XV-8 with no weapons? Actually, that would not be inexpensive. The cheapest such suit (with a Shield Generator, Blacksun Filter and anything else worth 5 Points) would cost you just over 50 points, if I am not mistaken. One can easily get a Deathrain for less. Or a TL Flamer shielded suit for even 1 point less.

Oh, and it would not have an 18" range, but 13-18". No Rending, no Power Weapons, who exactly would that be good against in assault? :-\
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Old 19 Sep 2009, 23:31   #3 (permalink)
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Oh, and it would not have an 18" range, but 13-18". No Rending, no Power Weapons, who exactly would that be good against in assault? :-\
Grots :P maybe if it had like 2 attacks with a power weapon like claw or something it could be ok but it goes against the tau way of war etc etc
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Old 19 Sep 2009, 23:33   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: no weapon battlesuit

Could such a suit not be used in a support role?

i.e. shas'el with shield gen, stim, iridium, pos rel, and the appropriate hard wired drones for the situation. possibly markers. it would be a point sink but may be useful.

i havnt got a codex availiable to me at the moment due to moving house, but the right non offensive systems could make a support commander very useful, although the AFP could be useful if he was hidden behind cover.
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Old 19 Sep 2009, 23:36   #5 (permalink)
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A grot or 2? maybe a nearly dead Guard Squad WITH OUT a power weapon?

I believe the Cheapest suit would be T/L flamers + Blacksun Filter coming in at 34 points... And it would be a damn sight more useful than a weapon-less suit.

I really can't see the usefulness in a weapon-less Crisis Suit or to be honest the point.
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Old 20 Sep 2009, 00:03   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: no weapon battlesuit

Another thing about a "assault" suit, you would be reduced to 12" of move max. Tau suit are Jet Pack, which is why we get JSJ. But the 5th rule book says that the suit move 6' in the move phase, and another 6" in the assault but don't have to assault. So if you wanted to assault a unit, you would need to be within 12" of it, moving 6 in move, NOT RUNNING in the shooting phase, and then your assault at 6". The suit is not jump Inf but Jet pack. And why would you waste a suit in CC, you really want to failsafe that bad?
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Old 20 Sep 2009, 00:11   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: no weapon battlesuit

Battlesuits are effectively worthless in assault even against the "softest" of units - they can't cause much damage, and they can easily be dragged down by large numbers.

But far worse than this is the fact that a very effective shooting Crisis suit can cost fewer points.
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Old 20 Sep 2009, 00:30   #8 (permalink)
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i use a no weapon shas'el in my kroot list sometimes, positional relay, sheild generator, retro thrusters, stim injectors. If i really feel like wasting points i add, ejection sys, failsafe detonator, and 2 sheild drones.
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Old 20 Sep 2009, 01:34   #9 (permalink)
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Yeah I'm gonna go with the 'tl flamer' crowd here. It costs less points and can do more damage. Three TL flamer suits will even put the crimp on a tactical squad. It's a lot of saves to pass and they're bound to fail some.
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Old 20 Sep 2009, 01:54   #10 (permalink)
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When necessary, an 'O or 'El can hit surprisingly hard in CC...but there really is no point in a weaponless suit
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