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Old 19 Jun 2005, 20:56   #1 (permalink)
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Hey everybody I was kind of bored today so I decided to make a list of a full squad of 12 FW's effectiveness in shooting and assault according to probability. So here goes.

SHOOTING SECTION* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RAPID FIRE SECTION* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *ASSAULT SECTION

Space Marine* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Space Marine* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Space Marine* * *
12 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *24 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 12 attacks
6 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 12 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *6 hit
4 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 8 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *2 wound
1.3 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *3.6 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *0.6 die

Chaos Space Marines* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Chaos Space Marine* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Chaos Space Marine
Same as Space Marine* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Same as Space Marine* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Same as Space Marine

Hormagaunts* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hormagaunts* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hormagaunts
12 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 24 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 12 attacks
6 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *12 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *6 hit
5 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *10 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *3 wound
5 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *10 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2.5 die

Dark Eldar Warrior* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dark Eldar Warrior* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dark Eldar Warrior
12 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 24 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *12 attacks
6 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *12 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 hit
5 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *10 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 3 wound
5 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *10 die * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2 die

Eldar Guardian* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Eldar Guardian* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Eldar Guardian
Same as Dark Eldar Warrior* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Same as Dark Eldar Warrior* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Same as Dark Eldar Warrior

Imperial Guardsman* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Imperial Guardsman* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Imperial Guardsman
Same as Eldar Guardians* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Same as Eldar Guardians* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Same as Eldar Guardians

Battle Sister* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Battle Sister* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Battle Sister
12 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *24 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 12 attacks
6 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *12 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 hit
5 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *10 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 3 hit
1.6 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 3.3 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1 die

Grey Knight* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Grey Knight* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Grey Knight
Same as Space Marine* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Same as Space Marine* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *12 attacks
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *6 hit
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *2 wound
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *0.6 die

Necron Warrior* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Necron Warrior* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Necron Warrior
Same as Space Marine* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Same as Space Marine* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Same as Space Marine

Ork Boyz* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Ork Boyz* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Ork Boyz
12 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *24 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *12 attacks
6 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 12 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 hit
4 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 8 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2 wound
4 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 8 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *1.6 die

Tau Fire Warrior* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tau Fire Warriors* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tau Fire Warriors
12 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *24 shots* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 12 attacks
6 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *12 hit* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 hit
5 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *10 wound* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 3 wound
2.5 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 5 die* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *1.5 die

I hope this helps everybody but then again the assault isn't very accurate because I didnt add the extra attack for charging (not that the Tau would charge) nor did I add the section where the enemy attacks in assault (but then again we all know what happens then* ;D) either way the rest is accurate and again I hope it helps.
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Old 19 Jun 2005, 21:17   #2 (permalink)
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;D Crazy Man! Quick question for the assualt section: You are basically saying that the 12 FW were already engaged (or charged) in combat?

Quote:
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24 shots
12 hit
10 wound
10 wound
Hehehe...don't you mean 10 die?
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Old 19 Jun 2005, 21:24   #3 (permalink)
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wow very nice ;D

oh ya one thing im confused about, why dose this chart show margenaly highy SM casualtys then sister casualtys, are sisters tuffer? if so then by how much as its only .3 of a a casualty higher.
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Old 19 Jun 2005, 21:33   #4 (permalink)
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Wow, useful info! *I wish I could nominate you for 10 karma for doing the math on all this. *Is it okay with you if I print this off, or save it to a Word document and add a little bit to it as I see fit?

Maybe *someday we can do a write up like this based on all the units, then put it in a nifty little computer program.

Also, and this is something I'm going to do anyway, a mock battle based on averages would be a nice thing to have too. *Like, do the math on one squad of FWs against one squad of SMurfs starting from max range and ending with the SM assault into CC. *I'd like to see how the numbers work out on that.... actually.... *Let me do it right now.

FW full squad vs SM full squad w/ Bolters

Tau Turn 1 - Range 30"
12 FW / 10 SM

12 shots
6 hits
4 wounds
1 dies (rounding to nearest integer)

SM Turn 1 - Range 24"
12 FW / 9 SM

Cannot fire, moved.

Tau Turn 2 - Range 24"
12 FW / 9 SM

12 shots
6 hits
4 wounds
1 dies (rounding to nearest integer)

SM Turn 2 - Range 18"
12 FW / 8 SM

Cannot fire, moved.

Tau Turn 3 - Range 18"
12 FW / 8 SM

12 shots
6 hits
4 wounds
1 dies (rounding to nearest integer)

SM Turn 3 - Range 12"
12 FW / 7 SM

14 shots
9.3 hits
6.2 wounds
3 die

Here you have to check morale. *I'll continue, assuming the FWs don't break.

Tau Turn 4 - Range 12"
9 FW / 7 SM

18 shots
9 hits
6 wounds
2 die (rounding to nearest integer)

SM Turn 4 - Range Base to Base
9 FW / 5 SM

SM win in initiative:
10 attacks
7 *hit
4 wound
2 die

FW strike back:
7 attacks
2 hit
0 wound

FW lose combat.

Hmm, that's pretty interesting. *Here are the numbers that prove just how bad one squad of FWs is against one squad of SMs. *However. *They DID take the SMs down to half strength before getting assaulted. *I hope this was a useful addendum to Lethal Hobo's KILLER post...

And Ahstbn, the Sisters have one less toughness than the SMs, meaning the Sisters have a HIGHER casualty rate Notice the deaths on the SMs are .3 LOWER than the Sisters. I think you might have gotten a little bit turned about there
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Old 19 Jun 2005, 21:39   #5 (permalink)
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Great job, but your math has a problem. With WS2 Fire Caste and WS4 Space Marines, you will only score 1/6 of hits, not 50%!!!
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Old 19 Jun 2005, 21:46   #6 (permalink)
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Well, actually, his math is correct.* WS 2 on WS 4 hits on a 4+.* I didn't believe it either, at first.

But you do really have to take initiative into account.* There wouldnt be 12 FWs left, even if they were the attackers, because they go last darn near always.

By the way, GW published the WS To Hit Tables, and the Strentgh v Toughness tables online. Just go to their website and click on "Choose your own 40k". Here's a link to one of the battles that actually has both tables on it.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/4...deathfrabv.htm

Hope that helps someone!
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Old 19 Jun 2005, 22:55   #7 (permalink)
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Wow! Rapid Fire does wonders against Hormagaunts >!
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Old 19 Jun 2005, 23:12   #8 (permalink)
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Ok well yes A'U'Nat im saying that the FW are already engaged in combat and yes i know that with initiative the FW would already be shredded but im saying if they all live by some wierd coincidence. Also TommyGeek I've already started putting all my info on a spread sheet and also i dont care if anyone copies this 4 info so go ahead. Finally I'm really sry but the deaths for the SMs should be 2.6 deaths not 3.6, again I'm sry ;D.

Oh and later i might be adding to this with the FWs effectiveness against the rest of the races units.
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Old 20 Jun 2005, 05:59   #9 (permalink)
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very good post lot of good info that why necrons are so hard to kill pluse they get there get back up roll :P
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if someone could convert this into a database file, and host it somewhere for all it would kick ass. Tau Online, are you with us?
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