[Boneguard]

I was asked this interesting question in pm:

I had a disagreement with a tau player, being a tau player myself I believed that Gun drones are passengers on vehicles and are treated as such, my question is can a Drone, leaving a vehicle that moved 12" do its assault move(Move 6")? When there is a clear rule that passenger may only assault if the vehicle is open topped or did not move in its movement phase. I have seen that you are adept at these kind of rules, that why I asked you. Thanks for the input!

My view was this:

Originally Posted by Boneguard

Interesting question indeed since you have 2 conflicting Rules.

Gun Drones does act as a passenger on the Devilfish and are pretty much subject to the Passenger rules indeed. However Jet pack does state that they can always do a special move in their assault phase in any direction (nullified by Deepstrike though).

I can see his interpretation of being allowed to move -but not assault with- the drones after disengaging from the 'fish based on the Jet pack rules. And I can see your interpretation of it not being allowed based on the passenger rules.

Personally, I would be incline to agree with you.

What is your take on this?? And explain why.

[LordZanuu]

I do not see the drones as "passengers" as such, but as well, drones. As the Devilfish has no fire points, then surely a passenger would not be able to shoot whilst onboard, correct?
So I say that they count as not having been moved when they disembark, its not like they have to slow down so they can disembark, they don't have to touch the ground afterall.

- LordZanuu

[Ravager]

I personally don't use vehicle drones (aside from Piranha) so this never comes up.

However, I'd go with a common sense answer in that you can move in the assault phase, due to having a jetpack, but you cannot use that move in to assault anything.

[Wu-Tang-Tau]

They are passengers, so if they move off the vehicle after it's moved, they can't use da assault move!

"Wu-Tang-Tau's words are words of GOD!"

[Boneguard]

Jet pack rules state that they can always make their special move in the assault phase.

Kind trump your argument Wu-tang.

[Wu-Tang-Tau]

Originally Posted by Boneguard

Jet pack rules state that they can always make their special move in the assault phase.

Kind trump your argument Wu-tang.

erm no... if crisis suits deepstrike they cannot use the assault move. Hence gun drones are in the same situation when they move off a vehicle.

"Wu-Tang-Tau = always right!"

[Boneguard]

That's a weak counter argument.

Yes deepstiking prevent the use of the special movement...that is explicitely stated in the codex. I even put this in my original reply.

However moving vehicule is not the same a deepstriking. Therefore the core rule for Jet pack infantry should still apply thus it could take his special move. I do agree with RZ that assault should not be allowed though.

[Wild]

Your interpretation is incorrect. The only situation that's stated they cannot do their assualt move is in fact upon Deep Striking. Seeing as how disembarking is not stated as one of the situations they cannot move during the Assault phase in either Rulebook or Codex, with the Rulebook actually saying they can ALWAYS move in the assault phase, the Codex trumps.

Damnit Ninja'd!

[Dangerman]

Originally Posted by Wu-Tang-Tau

They are passengers, so if they move off the vehicle after it's moved, they can't use da assault move!

"Wu-Tang-Tau's words are words of GOD!"

Originally Posted by Wu-Tang-Tau

erm no... if crisis suits deepstrike they cannot use the assault move. Hence gun drones are in the same situation when they move off a vehicle.

"Wu-Tang-Tau = always right!"

Your not going to get much respect by being arrogant.

[hr]

The rules say the cannot assault rather than "they cannot conduct the assault phase".

So technically Drones can get up to a 18" move off of a devilfish, subject to the disembarking rules.

[skippy35671]

this kinda came up once at my local store, i had a question... can a crisis suit move normal, RUN, then assault move another 6? Some said NO cuz they dont have FLEET. HOWEVER! i think they can because you are not "assaulting", your just moving. its 2 completely different things in my point of view.

and the drones hopping off the vehicles, well... same thing i suppose? if the drones moved 12 with the devilfish, disembarked, they could then shoot as normal yes? Cant firewarriors do that? then in the assault phase, yes you cant assault (get into CC) but assault MOVE, i think you can.

any ideas?