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Old 21 May 2009, 16:00   #1 (permalink)
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Default Target Lock rules uncertainty question...

A model with a Target Lock can fire at a separate enemy unit from the one its own unit is firing at. All firing must be declared before to unit's hit rolls are made. One Target Priority test (a test that no longer exists) must be passed in order for all the separate shots to be taken. If the test isn't passed all shooting falls under the Target Priority test rules that don't exist any longer. I can see two scenarios...

1. A regular Ld test is taken in order for the TL-equipped unit to shoot at a different target.
2. The model, already having paid a premium for the wargear, gets to take the shot automatically with no test. (I don't see this as all that fair...)

So, what actually happens now in this instance?

Second part of the question, what happens if multiple members of the same unit each have the wargear? Can all the separate members equipped appropriately fire at different targets? If a test is indeed taken the wargear rules state that only one is needed to be passed to ensure "all separate shots are taken". Should that be the case or does each member need to test, again, under the no-longer-existing Target Priority rules?

To give you the example of where I'm going with this, I'm thinking of a full 7-model Farsight-led bodyguard situation. By the letter of the rules and the specific wording, every single Crisis suit bodyguard can have the wargear and should be able to utilize it, yes?
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Old 21 May 2009, 16:30   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Target Lock rules uncertainty question...

Most people goes with 2. You have a target lock you use it without test and, if multiple models have a target lock, they can fire at multiple target. Without the need of test.
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Old 21 May 2009, 16:40   #3 (permalink)
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Most people goes with 2. You have a target lock you use it without test and, if multiple models have a target lock, they can fire at multiple target. Without the need of test.
To make it even more clear - there are no Target Priority tests in 5th Edition at all. This rule exists no more.
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Old 21 May 2009, 16:45   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Target Lock rules uncertainty question...

It's one case where people go: New Rule Trumps Codex. -as oppose to the usual Codex Trumps Rulebook.

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Old 21 May 2009, 17:18   #5 (permalink)
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Wow! That's HUGE!

Thanks for the replies. I kind of figured that might be the case as there's something similar with the Black Templars. They need to test to fire at a more distant unit but it's not referred to as a Target Priority test in their rule's description as I recall so it's still binding. This specifically references a rule that no longer exists so it gets removed from the equation entirely. Awesome...
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Old 21 May 2009, 17:49   #6 (permalink)
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Also, you should never have to put target locks on all your suits. Remember that one of those suits still count as the unit and can fire at whatever it wants. this'll save you 20-30 points in an army.
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Also, you should never have to put target locks on all your suits. Remember that one of those suits still count as the unit and can fire at whatever it wants. this'll save you 20-30 points in an army.
Farsight Enclave have a special rules about that. No detail, but go and read him you will see.
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Old 21 May 2009, 18:07   #8 (permalink)
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Also, you should never have to put target locks on all your suits. Remember that one of those suits still count as the unit and can fire at whatever it wants. this'll save you 20-30 points in an army.
Farsight Enclave have a special rules about that. No detail, but go and read him you will see.
Actually, I don't catch your drift. There are no special rules regarding this that I can see. Farsight himself has a Target Lock. Aside from that, the Bodyguard are like all others...
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Old 21 May 2009, 18:53   #9 (permalink)
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With one target lock in three suits, means at best two targets.
With two target locks in three suits, means at best three targets.

The two shooting off will have their own target beads, meaning the original gimp without target lock is aiming normally for his next target.

Farsight only has a power weapon, a martial prowess, free group hugs, hates his father caste (he has father issues..I swear), a xenophobe and a limiting factor...because hes bad D'yi like that.
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With one target lock in three suits, means at best two targets.
With two target locks in three suits, means at best three targets.

The two shooting off will have their own target beads, meaning the original gimp without target lock is aiming normally for his next target.

Farsight only has a power weapon, a martial prowess, free group hugs, and a limiting factor...because hes bad D'yi like that.
That I understand. It's the reference to "special rules" I was confused about...
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