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Refined XV8 Naming Scheme (What's a Fireknife/Deathrain/Helios etc)
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Old 25 Feb 2007, 11:15   #41 (permalink)
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What would you call a suit with TL Burst Cannons and a TA?
iA waste of an XV8 is what I would call it
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Old 25 Feb 2007, 11:17   #42 (permalink)
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What would you call a suit with TL Burst Cannons and a TA?
A waste of an XV8 is what I would call it
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Old 25 Feb 2007, 12:18   #43 (permalink)
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Its actualy very useful. You give your shas'o and his bodyguards that (don't give the'o a TA obviously) 2 gun drones each and the 'o a CiB and HWMT and they put out an amazing amount of shots with a high chance of hitting. They make mincemeat of orks and 'nids.

Edit: Oh and it only costs 12pts for a TL BC, thats as much as a FB or MP thats not TLed!
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Old 25 Feb 2007, 12:29   #44 (permalink)
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It's even good against MEq although crap against TEq.
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Old 25 Feb 2007, 13:41   #45 (permalink)
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The point of these names is to provide us with a shorthand way of expressing universally common ideas during internet discussion of tactics and army lists. Things like an XV8 with Flamer/Fusion don't need a name because they're not used very often. If you're discussing one of these, just call it, "an XV8 with a flamer and a fusion blaster". Get's the idea across just fine. Having a nickname for every possible combination of weapon and wargear just increases the learning curve for the army and results in confusion when Joe-poster gets 'Heatwave' mixed up with 'Waveflame' :

Just stick to the names we've got for the common suits and write out the full config for the less common ones.
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Old 25 Feb 2007, 15:23   #46 (permalink)
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Its actualy very useful. You give your shas'o and his bodyguards that (don't give the'o a TA obviously) 2 gun drones each and the 'o a CiB and HWMT and they put out an amazing amount of shots with a high chance of hitting. They make mincemeat of orks and 'nids.

Edit: Oh and it only costs 12pts for a TL BC, thats as much as a FB or MP thats not TLed!
If you want to waste our only viable mid strength low AP weapons platforms on burst cannons then go ahead, I would not give a Shas'O 3 burst cannon shots (regardless of TL or BS5) because its inefficient, the Drones only give 6 re-rolled shots and the BG 6 BS4 TL shots for a points cost of 261pts thats way to expensive for what it can do, yeah it may (MAY) work against Orks but unfortunately we don't play Orks all the time and I dont know about your list but I have plenty to handle Orky/Nid type stuff without using up valuable XV8 slots, anyway enough Hijacking of the thread (sorry Tonka)

As to the naming conventions well I think Tonka is right, the majority of players tend to take a limited amount of set ups, I think the Fireknife Multi / Helios Multi and Deathrains are probably the most common (with slight variations) and the CIB seems to be popular amongst some players, so all the more obscure variations should just have equipment listed.

Or heres a thought, just list the components of the suit config the first time you list in the post with the suit name in brackets at the side, then the readers of the thread know exactly what our talking about and you just list the name from there onwards.

I/E:
HQ XV8 Shas'El with Plasma/Fusion Blaster/Targeting Array and Hard Wired Multi Tracker (Helios Multi) 97pts

OR

HQ XV8 Shas'El with Plasma/TL Fusion Blaster/ and Hard Wired Multi Tracker (Helios Multi (FB))

Seems simple enough.
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Old 25 Feb 2007, 17:50   #47 (permalink)
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Riki, I feel pretty strongly that any discussion of army lists shouldn't use nicknames at all. The only time these nicknames really should come into play is during batrep rightups ("... and then my Deathrain squad jumped out and shot his speeder squadron ...") or tactics discussions ("... specialization of XV8 builds makes in-game decisions easier, it's not difficult to figure out what your Helios suits should be gunning for ..."). The very first sentence of the original posts says:

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Note: This is a form of shorthand which is meant for casual conversation and internet discussions; when writing out complete army lists, each piece of wargear must be listed in full in order to accurately convey your thoughts.
Where army lists are concerned, we want to be 100% clear about exactly what's equipped on each model, and that can only be accomplished if you list it all out.
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Old 25 Feb 2007, 20:38   #48 (permalink)
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Riki, I feel pretty strongly that any discussion of army lists shouldn't use nicknames at all. The only time these nicknames really should come into play is during batrep rightups ("... and then my Deathrain squad jumped out and shot his speeder squadron ...") or tactics discussions ("... specialization of XV8 builds makes in-game decisions easier, it's not difficult to figure out what your Helios suits should be gunning for ..."). The very first sentence of the original posts says:

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Note: This is a form of shorthand which is meant for casual conversation and internet discussions; when writing out complete army lists, each piece of wargear must be listed in full in order to accurately convey your thoughts.
Where army lists are concerned, we want to be 100% clear about exactly what's equipped on each model, and that can only be accomplished if you list it all out.
I agree but I did not actually state they should be in 'Lists' I said the first time the suit config is 'listed in the post' which is a different thing altogether, after all the components of an XV8 suit configuration are not just discussed in army lists are they.
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Old 20 Jul 2007, 18:20   #49 (permalink)
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Thanks a lot, now i finally know what a fireknife is, i never knew!
Anyway, who came up with these names ???
Thanks a lot
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Old 20 Jul 2007, 20:43   #50 (permalink)
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Here's a link to the origins of the naming scheme described above.
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