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Old 09 May 2009, 05:15   #1 (permalink)
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Does the railgun submunition scatter? IF so, how does that work?
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Old 09 May 2009, 05:18   #2 (permalink)
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Does the railgun submunition scatter? IF so, how does that work?
It scatters 2d6 - the Hammerheads BS (4 in most cases, or 5 if you spend a ML hit).


I don't like it this new way myself, but... *Shrugs* nothing we can do about it. :-\
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Old 09 May 2009, 05:18   #3 (permalink)
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Yes.

Its detailed in the rulebook on page 30.

But you roll the scatter dice, and 2D6-BS.

New way is more accurate ender
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Old 09 May 2009, 05:21   #4 (permalink)
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Ok. thankyou guys so much. I understand it now.
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Yes.

Its detailed in the rulebook on page 30.

But you roll the scatter dice, and 2D6-BS.

New way is more accurate ender
Not for me. That damn thing goes wild so many times vs. before I would get the hits exactly where I wanted them 5/6 times.
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Yes.

Its detailed in the rulebook on page 30.

But you roll the scatter dice, and 2D6-BS.

New way is more accurate ender
Is it?

3" is enough to entirely miss your initial target, generally, only hitting whatever is outside your preferred blast hit.

a 3"+ scatter happens 21/36 of the time you scatter (which itself is 2/3 of the time you roll the dice), meaning you're scattering that far or more 7/18ths of the time.

a 1 or 2" scatter happens fairly often as well - 2/3 of 9/36, or 1/6 of the time - and generally results in only a proportion of the enemies that would be hit by a direct shot.

BS 4 meant that, 6/18ths of the time, the shot misses entirely.

Comparatively, that means you've got a 2/3 chance of getting a full-strength hit and 1/3 chance of missing entirely, versus the new scattering rule's ~1/2 chance of getting a full-strength, 1/6 chance of getting a proportional hit, and ~1/3 chance of getting a low-proportion hit or miss entirely, depending on the spread and number of your target.

In this case, I'd say the results are roughly equal, though I think we can all appreciate the occasional lucky scatter that takes our guns further than we would ever have been able to shoot it in 4th, or a particularly lucky scatter that covers more models than a direct hit would... but either of those situations are fairly unlikely to occur.

In the case of a BS 5 blast weapon, I don't think there is any contest whatsoever - 1/6 chance of missing entirely is more than negated by a 5/6 chance of hitting exactly where you place it.

When it comes to the TL Fusion Cannon IA3 turret, I think I'd much prefer the 4th edition rules - an 8/9 chance of getting a right-on shot with a Fusion in blast form? Lucky scatters aside, the anti-termie abilities of that gun are beyond questioning in 4th edition, neh?
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Or you could use the white dice from the starter sets or red dice from GW. They are notoriously bad dice(low number rolling). So...you could roll those for your scatter. Say it is superstition but mock my words...it is true!!! "haha"
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Or you could use the white dice from the starter sets or red dice from GW. They are notoriously bad dice(low number rolling). So...you could roll those for your scatter. Say it is superstition but mock my words...it is true!!! "haha"
Actually, I do remember some professor having his class conduct trials with GW and other company dice and finding GW dice, on average, as being less reliable/constant than other dice manufacturers. IIRC, they actually did roll lower on average. :-X
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Or you could use the white dice from the starter sets or red dice from GW. They are notoriously bad dice(low number rolling). So...you could roll those for your scatter. Say it is superstition but mock my words...it is true!!! "haha"
Actually, I do remember some professor having his class conduct trials with GW and other company dice and finding GW dice, on average, as being less reliable/constant than other dice manufacturers. IIRC, they actually did roll lower on average. :-X
As I understand it, some aspects of the dice rolling in that study was flawed - it had to do with how the dice were rolled, or in the case of the study, shaken.
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Or you could use the white dice from the starter sets or red dice from GW. They are notoriously bad dice(low number rolling). So...you could roll those for your scatter. Say it is superstition but mock my words...it is true!!! "haha"
Actually, I do remember some professor having his class conduct trials with GW and other company dice and finding GW dice, on average, as being less reliable/constant than other dice manufacturers. IIRC, they actually did roll lower on average. :-X
As I understand it, some aspects of the dice rolling in that study was flawed - it had to do with how the dice were rolled, or in the case of the study, shaken.
I never followed up on the study tbh.

I figure any bias though would affect all the makes of dice though, I was given to understand that different dice sets were rotated around the class. *Shrugs*
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