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Old 12 Apr 2009, 05:09   #1 (permalink)
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Hi, I looked throught the forum, but I couldn't find a topic that quite answered my question, so here it is.

I'm having trouble deciding between Tau and Eldar, but only because of their different kinds of firepower. In my mind Tau have more of a static gunline and more of a defensive feel, whereas Eldar have lots of assault weapons, which still have a fairly long range in the case of Dire Avengers, and can be gear more towards an assault. The main thing keeping my from choosing Tau is that I think the denfensive style fo staying in one place could get a bit boring. What do you guys think?

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Old 12 Apr 2009, 05:45   #2 (permalink)
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They can be quite similar if you play a shooty-Mech list.
They are also similar in ability to specialize well. Either army can absolutely destroy an opponent with a specialized list. That said, it would be interesting to see two vets with specialized lists go at it.

Big DIfferences:
Eldar- CC ability
... and that's about it... No I'm kidding I just don't really know either army well enough.
It's just no one had posted yet.

I think a big difference now is that Eldar have a 5th edition codex and Tau have not yet been re-constructed updated. This makes them more competitive IMO.
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Old 12 Apr 2009, 06:08   #3 (permalink)
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Actually Tau is very much about mobile firepower. There are a few units that do primarily stay in one spot and shoot (broadsides, sniper drone teams) but everything else pretty much moves and shoots. Even Fire Warriors, and it seems most players play them that way.

The main difference between them and Eldar is that Eldar aren't as tough for the most part, most everything has T3 and an okay armor save for the cost. Tau IMO tend to be a little more resilient for their cost, though Eldar wrathguard and the wrathlords are pinnacles of toughness. Eldar are also more geared towards hth, having several unit options to fulfill that role as well as general high AP. It should also be said that Eldar are an older and thus more fleshed out army then the Tau. They have far more strategies and options open to them simply because they have more stuff.
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Old 12 Apr 2009, 13:26   #4 (permalink)
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I agree with the above too poster.

Tau and eldar can have very similar shooty-Mech list.

Tau are very shooty and have the best basic gun, couple with the suits, the devilfish and markerlight they have a very mobile style...which is a must now in 5th ed.

Eldar basic unit may not be as tough, but they are a lot better in CC then tau, and have a load of diversity with all the Apsect.

Personally I started with tau and now branchnig out with Eldar (Scorpion spam+footslogger guardian) and dark Eldar (Mech warriors) since they naturally fit together.
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Old 12 Apr 2009, 14:17   #5 (permalink)
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Good Afternoon.

well, i have an odd approach to this one.
i have a tau and eldar force, and yes the fighting styles are a close match.

you have two things to consider

1) which will fight better against your normal opponents ?
i.e - if you fight hoards a lot, go tau, the fire power is a must, against marines, there is no real preference. just different kit.

2) more importantly which do you like the look of best ?

have a look at both codex, make a note of which units you 'really' want and see if they are actually any good.
you could even acquire a few of each race to paint up, depending on your skill the resulting paint schemes may indicate a clear winner.

i was tau first, just love the big guns. my painting of them is simple and effective, i think any way.
i bought some eldar with the release of apocalypse. as yet i cannot say i have a fully painted squad, i just cant get into painting them. . . .

against my opponents neither really out preforms the other, vs orks, chaos and necron, assault isn't somewhere you want to be, the eldar do preforme better. fleet really helps, along with power weapons.
generally the weight of effective fire power the tau has is more of a comfort.

in most forces, you will generally see more infantry / models in the eldar army, as they are better rounded units, the specialist XV8 for the tau can get expensive quick.
eldar tanks are also slightly faster and harder than tau, but the guns arn't so good under 5th edition.

i am rambeling. so :

1) look at each codex, does either one grab you ?
2) test paint a couple of models for both armies, any preference ?
3) buy a small force of your chosen, play, expand, enjoy.

4) in a couple of years time you'll end up buying some of the other force either way. ;D

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Old 12 Apr 2009, 16:45   #6 (permalink)
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Pro's of an Eldar list
-More versatility
-Better assault
-More models
-Better special characters

Pro's on a Tau list
-Cheaper models (both points and $$ wise)
-Better long range weapons
-RAILGUNS!!!!
-The ability to stay mobile without losing any Firepower*


*In my mind, the Eldar and Tau are both about the same concept. Firepower and Mobility. However, Tau are the best at keeping their firepower, without sacrificing mobility. In an Eldar list, you will usually have to choose between the two, or pay a humungous amount to have both.

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There are a few units that do primarily stay in one spot and shoot (broadsides, sniper drone teams) but everything else pretty much moves and shoots. Even Fire Warriors, and it seems most players play them that way.
A.S.S.?

As someone who has played with both Eldar and Tau in 5th edition, I might have to suggest Eldar, since the fact that only troops are scoring makes their Guardian Jetbikes one of the best units in the game. However, in the end, its up to you. Look at both codex's next time your in your local gaming store, and make up your mind.

*edit* thought of something else.

Eldar are better at middle weaponry versus infantry that Tau. E.G. Anti TEQ and Anti Horde are polar weaponry. Anti MEQ and Anti SEQ are middle weaponry.
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My primary opponent is an eldar fanatic, and to date my only army is tau. If your looking for mobility both armies have a ton of potential there. Both armies have a fairly steep learning curve though (not to bad, but a heck of lot more complex than say...orks, I'm still learning myself) its a matter of what you might have an easier time with.
Eldar units are hyper specialized, really good at killing what ever it is they're supposed to kill but fragile as hell, so you have to learn how to use em to support and protect each other. Its tricky and sometimes counter intuitive. I wish i could give you better examples but don't know to much of the specifics of the planning, I just know how to recognize when I'm about to lose a game lol .
Tau units by contrast are often great generalists (with a few exceptions). The key to using them is playing defensively, placing a big emphasis on casualty denial, while occasionally focusing you fire on key elements of the enemy.

Choose between which of those playstyles sound the most appealing, as well as which model range you like the look of.

For my money I like both of the armies as beginning armies, the mobility allows you to realize your mistakes and/or your enemies plans and improvise solutions on the fly. Sure space marines are tougher :P but they just ain't my style.
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Old 16 Apr 2009, 00:05   #8 (permalink)
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Tau units by contrast are often great generalists (with a few exceptions).
What? Where are you getting that from? I have always believed in the specialization of one's units. I think where the mixup is occurring is that while all our units are specialized (burning eyes in one team, deathrains in another), our weapons are often multi purposed (EG, a pulse rifle can both take down ork swarms, monstrous creatures, and light vehicles effectively).
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Old 16 Apr 2009, 00:35   #9 (permalink)
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Tau units by contrast are often great generalists (with a few exceptions).
What? Where are you getting that from? I have always believed in the specialization of one's units. I think where the mixup is occurring is that while all our units are specialized (burning eyes in one team, deathrains in another), our weapons are often multi purposed (EG, a pulse rifle can both take down ork swarms, monstrous creatures, and light vehicles effectively).
The problem with your rhetoric is when saying "all our units" you end up referring only to crisis suits. While those squads can be very specialized, most other units simply don't have that level of customization. Those units have weapons that are rather versatile in their use. That's what makes them generalists.
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