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Old 21 Mar 2009, 13:20   #1 (permalink)
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Default Photon and EMP Grenades - Do you use them?

i ask because a while ago i submitted an army list to the Army board and people suggested against both. why is this?

Photon grenades negate the extra attack chargers would get. and i used an EMp equiped Ethereal to take out a killa kan.

so why doesn't anyone use them?
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Old 21 Mar 2009, 13:31   #2 (permalink)
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Simply put: You have to get close, like CC close, to use them.

But there is more to it then this. I'll go over both:
-Photon grenades: Sure your opponent will lose an attack but do you have any chance on winning (any) CC? The answer is 'no'. So you want your Firewarriors to lose in CC. Why? Because when they break and flee the rest of your army can shoot them. It's better to lose those troops and kill the unit in your turn. Else it's more likely that they break in your turn and your opponent will get to charge into another unit.
-EMP grenades: Some use them (and to some succes) but most of the time its a waste of points. If you use them take a DF and a squad of 6 FW with EMP. This is called a blackout squad and has some chance of taking out enemy armour. However a footsloging unit should never be equiped with them as they can outrun walkers and tanks aren't as stupid as to get close.

So now for a sumary:
-Photon: always a big NO
-EMP: Sometimes, but then it is a big risk to use them. So better pack more Railguns.

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Old 21 Mar 2009, 13:31   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Photon and EMP Grenades - Do you use them?

Tau should never get in CC. That's pretty much the only reason.

The point you spend on grenade cannot be spent on 'better' wargear to shoot them to Kingdom comes.
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Old 21 Mar 2009, 13:38   #4 (permalink)
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Point sink.

Pisces_808 basically outlined the reasons in his post.

Anyway, if you get assaulted you WANT your FW's to fall back so that you can shoot at the enemy squad.

Look at the cost of giving a whole squad EMP's. 36 points could buy you 3 more FW's, 5 kroot, or even a cheapo XV8.

Give 3 squads of FW's EMP nades and you could have almost got another whole 12-man squad of FW's.
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Old 21 Mar 2009, 13:41   #5 (permalink)
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boneguard and Pisces-808 have a point.

true i can still count the number of times an EMP grenade has destroyed a vehicle on one hand, but i can still count the number of games with tau on two hands so that is pretty good. i've managed to destroy 1 maybe 2 Rhino's with EMP carbine warriors and an Ork killa kan with an EMPthereal.
Thats why i don't understand EMP grenades, they're awesome when used against the right targets. the trick is identifying those targets then surviving long enough to use them.

Photons i completely agree, the ammount of times i've been assaulted when armed with these and still lose is about 3 times a game. as i usually field two units of 6tau carbine warriors and a 12tau Rifle warrior unit.

the problem for me is that though i have two DF, one is an embarassment to any serious gamer while the other has recently broken its stand (the first i need to scrap for scenary). i mention them because someone is bound to suggest going mech.
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When I take a shas'vre FW i usually equip him with an EMP grenade just incase his squad is run over by a vehicle. Death or Glory, the fire cast is never scared (unless an ethereal dies... :)
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Old 21 Mar 2009, 17:39   #7 (permalink)
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When I take a shas'vre FW i usually equip him with an EMP grenade just incase his squad is run over by a vehicle. Death or Glory, the fire cast is never scared (unless an ethereal dies... :)
That's an idea... I might try that.

Would be lulzy to blow up a land raider.
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When I take a shas'vre FW i usually equip him with an EMP grenade just incase his squad is run over by a vehicle. Death or Glory, the fire cast is never scared (unless an ethereal dies... :)
That's an idea... I might try that.

Would be lulzy to blow up a land raider.
I agree but to me the idea of a FW destroying a Necron Monolith sounds more awesome. even though Monos and Landy have same/similar states.
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I agree but to me the idea of a FW destroying a Necron Monolith sounds more awesome. even though Monos and Landy have same/similar states.
How the klkn did that monolith tank shock with only a 6" movement phase. They must have been some stupid firewarriors!

"There is no enemy to report shas'ui!"

*Monolith slowly hovers into FW head.*

" klkn me! Where the he'll did that come from I never saw it coming? That was a shock thankfully it only caused a small bruise that could have been nasty!"
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I agree but to me the idea of a FW destroying a Necron Monolith sounds more awesome. even though Monos and Landy have same/similar states.
How the klkn did that monolith tank shock with only a 6" movement phase. They must have been some stupid firewarriors!

"There is no enemy to report shas'ui!"

*Monolith slowly hovers into FW head.*

" klkn me! Where the he'll did that come from I never saw it coming? That was a shock thankfully it only caused a small bruise that could have been nasty!"
LOL (Sorry mods) i've got to try thatt in a future game.

ok ok bad suggestion. perhaps a fw team assaulting a monolith instead.
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