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Old 24 Feb 2009, 13:33   #1 (permalink)
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I looked back a number of pages for anything concerning this, but the reality is right now the Search widget is down, and so if this is a repeat or rehash of any discussions that have happened earlier I apologize.

Having read the Tau codex, their Greater Good philosophy seems to be a fairly Collectivist approach to solving their societal problems - so for anyone that knows the fluff behind them: is Tau society modeled on Communist or Socialist governance?
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Old 24 Feb 2009, 13:36   #2 (permalink)
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Doombringer's Revised Essay on the Tau Government and Communism will pretty much satisfy your query. It was in the Important Topic along with the other Stickied Topics
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I swear to God if I see another one of these "Tau = Communist" posts I will kill myself and I will haunt the person who posts it for the rest of their life! So go ahead... do it! If you wanna have me and whatever else I bring up from the underworld please put up another one of these threads... I DARE YOU!
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Old 24 Feb 2009, 14:32   #4 (permalink)
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Tau = Communists! (The thought of my own personal 40K playing ghost is rather appealing. Go ahead Jedi, I dare ya! >)

I am not so sure that we can classify the Tau government. It always seemed to me that though similar to several long standing theories about government, we are not exactly told in the fluff how the ethereals control the population. There are theories, but no concrete evidence. In order to classify something, you must understand it.

If the ethereals are using pheromones, then you are looking at a Class Dictatorship. :-\
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Old 24 Feb 2009, 14:36   #5 (permalink)
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Doombringer's Revised Essay on the Tau Government and Communism will pretty much satisfy your query. It was in the Important Topic along with the other Stickied Topics
Thanks, I'm not sure how I missed that, I looked through the sticked topics and must have just missed that at the very end.

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I also wasn't suggesting they definitely were, nor commenting on the efficiency of such a government nor on the moral worth of it - I was merely trying to find if anyone knew more about any possible links better than I did, and apparently there was already a nice thread on the topic which I managed to miss. I'm not trying to stir up trouble, that was not my intent here. I'm just considering Tau as my second army and wanted to learn more about them.
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No sweat Nezal, but this does indeed come up quite often.

Although I have no idea how you can confuse the tau rigid caste system as communism though...plus the fact that each caste are actually a different sub-species of the Tau genome whivh may or may not be interfertile.

How about a lock before this degenerate as it usualy does.
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Not another one...

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Old 24 Feb 2009, 15:57   #8 (permalink)
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Yeah, like I said I went looking for other threads on it, just failed to notice the one linked above. Actually a very interesting read.

So, I'm not wrong in thinking the Tau are fairly Totalitarian and Collectivist - but having read the explanation they do seem to depart from what you would normally think of as Communist or Socialist, which is an important distinction.

Is there any fluff written where some of the leadership of the Tau have fallen to corruption? (Chaos or otherwise, no need to be supernatural corruption we see it happen often enough in the leaders of our own governments). The Codex seems a little vague on what happened to Commander Farsight since he's broken from the "normal" chain of Tau command subject to Ethereal rule.

Also, I'd just like to mention I'll make sure to keep this as drama free as possible from my end, I know what it can be like to have volatile topics resurface, and I'm just looking to get some facts on an army I'm interested in finding out more about - if any of it starts problems, I will request and immediate lock - and I'll request a lock when I'm done regardless.
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Is there any fluff written where some of the leadership of the Tau have fallen to corruption? (Chaos or otherwise, no need to be supernatural corruption we see it happen often enough in the leaders of our own governments). The Codex seems a little vague on what happened to Commander Farsight since he's broken from the "normal" chain of Tau command subject to Ethereal rule.
I don't recall any fluff, but I'm not a big fluff reader...but this is still a possibility, especially if it is the Ethereal Caste who gets corrupted...by choas, greed or power.

This seems to be the underlying reason behind Farsight departure in my understanding: Either he is corrupted by power or he feel that theEthereal Caste failed/are corrupted.
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ok, I don't really know of any fluff that expands on these concepts, but if your looking to write your own, here are some things that seem to parallel the Tau culture.

first in our world;
there seems to be a strong oriental Asian influence in the Tau, either intended or inferred,
of particular note are;

The caste system of India, an obvious parrallel but can inform on how a caste system relates to politics etc.

Chinese Confucianism, now this maybe just me but I see parallels between this (and Taoism), and the Tau'va, its part of what attracted me to the Tau.

And there is also the Japanese influence on the fire caste, both in the Anime-esque Battlesuits but more importantly the 'Art of War' taken from the works of Sun-Tzu.


In fiction I have always looked to the Planet of the Apes as a parallel to the relationship of the Tau sub-species' politically, socially and even genetically.
Gorrillas are the Fire caste, Chimps are the Earth caste and Orangs are the Ethereals, not perfect, but a way to look at it

(these species are all within a few percent of each other and humans genetically, chimps closest to us (the 2 species of chimp are as similar to each other as they are to us) and orangs the least like us)

I have also thought the genetic screening used in the film Gattica seems apt for the Tau, especially as they seem less likely to bend or break the rules than humans.


there are many other things that could be used in reference that I don't know or remember.

most of the hits at corruption are just that, left open and ambiguous to hold our interest, as well as Farsight, N'dras may be an example of corruption, but nothing is known bar what is in the codex (I believe).

I hope this helps,
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