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Old 04 Feb 2009, 16:02   #1 (permalink)
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What does everything think about the AFP and the CIB?
Fair?
Cheap?
Best combinations with them in?
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Old 04 Feb 2009, 16:07   #2 (permalink)
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AFP good for hordes, nice little template, do not currently like the scatter for it now that rules changed. Low Strength weapon so little hard to wound MEQ. Since I constantly go up against space marines, I am thinking of swapping it out for a CIB.

CIB, nice for armored targets. Haven't used it much since the AFP was on my commander and he rarely got close enough to fire more then his missile pod. Now that the arms broke off of my commander, I am swapping off the AFP and trying a CIB instead. Should make things a little different.
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My commander has both CIB and AFP, this is good against horde and light infantry, but AFP can be used against MEQs due to its AP3 (please correct me if I'm wrong). I don't like the fact that CIB has a low strength, but this is justified slightly by there being 5 shots...
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I have used them both and found them pretty useful for taking care of large groups of things i want too go away. The AFP did hilarious things too a hormigaunt squad. for suit setups I like the CIB with a plasma rifle and the AFP with pretty much everything but the fusion blaster. I keep the CIB on high bs skill people to make the most out of it since you can't roll 6s if you keep missing. The AFP is good for most anyone since even a miss goes somewhere. I do use drones or wargear to protect them since they are a bit of a investment points wise.
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Old 04 Feb 2009, 16:17   #5 (permalink)
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AFP can be used against MEQs due to its AP3 (please correct me if I'm wrong).
As you wish. The AFP has AP5, not AP3.
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Old 04 Feb 2009, 16:23   #6 (permalink)
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Dang, I think it should have AP3, but then what do we have Vespid for??? Does CIB have Ap 4 or 5? I prefer the AFP to the CIB, as it has higher strength and can hit/kill more models. I also prefer the way it looks.

You know you can only have one of each weapon, would it be possible to TL it; as that is technically only one weapon...
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Old 04 Feb 2009, 16:32   #7 (permalink)
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CIB has AP4. None of the two is a Marine killer.

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Well actually the CIB can be a marine killer... Rolls of 6 to wund are AP1 after all . So CIB is a better all comers weapon due to mass shots (good for hordes) AP4 (good for Medium Troopers, FEQs for example) and the AP1 on 6's (good for MEQs and TEQs). Where as the AFP is 100% better for hordes/GEQs. Due to it's stats being basicly a Large Blast, Cover Save ignoring bolter :P.

I tend to field the CIB & AFP with either Burst Cannon or Plasma Rifle, possibly a Missile Pod. Depending on who I'm facing. 7 Shots against hordes from one guy. Gotta love it. As an all comers suit containing one of those weapons I'd have CIB & Plasma.
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Old 04 Feb 2009, 17:25   #9 (permalink)
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I guess I should have said that none of them is a guaranteed Marine killer. :

Otherwise, you are absolutely right.
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The CIB is very much an all-rounder weapon - roughly equivalent to a Burst Cannon against GEQs, roughly between a PR above and below 12" Rapid Fire range, and just slightly more efficient against low toughness, 4+ armor than, say, a Burst Cannon. Also, like a Burst Cannon, the CIB isn't as negatively affected by marines in cover as Plasma is, so you can use those markerlights for other purposes (like that damn Hull-down Whirlwind).

My recommendation? If you're anti-horde, use the AFP, pair. If you're anti-cover (where cover save > armor save - I'm looking at you, Eldar Pathfinders!), use the AFP. For either choice, pair with a burst cannon or flamer, respectively, for synergy. If you're going against 4+ or better armor, CIB will probably do a better job than the AFP.

Honestly, though, I'd rather have a Helios (Fusion/PR) than a Aurora (PR/CIB, i think?) for anti-MEQ. It has extreme anti-tank if needed which the CIB fails miserably at providing, and it encourages that oh-so-dangerous but oh-so-lucrative Rapid-fire range for Plasma. CIB IS, however, a (slightly) better anti-MEQ weapon by the numbers, at better range, even if its less reliable.

Sure, the CIB performs like a BC against GEQ as well as being anti-MEQ... but fer crissake, we have so much BC equivalent coming out of our ears, from tanks to transports to elites to basic troops, I really don't see the need for an anti-GEQ in a commander or a specialist suit.

That said, an AFP might find its way paired with a TL Missile Pod on a Shas'vre leading some deathrains with flamers...
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