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Old 18 May 2005, 21:40   #1 (permalink)
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what is more effective, 6 stealth battlesuits or 3 fireknife battlesuit?
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Old 18 May 2005, 21:42   #2 (permalink)
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Killa:

That's kind of like Apples and Oranges, as efficiency will be based on their targets, and they both cannot take on the same targets. Against transports, vehicles, heavy infantry such as terminators, the fire knives will definitely pay off more. However, against most infantry, the stealthsuits will take the higher seat.

Did you have a specific target in mind?
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Old 18 May 2005, 21:45   #3 (permalink)
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I mainly face space marines and orks.
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Old 18 May 2005, 21:59   #4 (permalink)
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Killa:

So in an overall sense, which unit is more effective against Space Marines, and which is more effective against Orks?

Difficult question actually. I personally don't think either unit is better than the other against the two targets listed as they each have their place and each do things the other cannot. It's why they're two different units after all. But I'm sure others will have their input soon
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Old 18 May 2005, 22:03   #5 (permalink)
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also, what use does a stealth team have when facing space marines?
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Old 19 May 2005, 01:18   #6 (permalink)
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Orks, hmmmmm, well I would definatly have to say Steath are better in most situations against these guys.Why?
  • from 6 guys comes 18 shots that are str 5 (thats a 3+ to wound) and a 5 AP (that destroys most armour saves)
  • The steath rule that applys to Close Combat is also very good. It is treated as though you were in cover for the first round of CC so you can ease the pain a little IF they get there
  • They can kill just about any vehicle in the Ork roster (they might not be able to kill all the Looted ones though)
  • They can hold table quarters really good against orks, especailly due to the Steath ability (as if the orks could shoot anyway)

Although the crisis are very good as well, and can also have the burst cannons, they just cost more, and dont devouer as many guys as quick as steath do. And dont get to go first in CC like the steath would.

If you really want to have some Crisis in there, put in Some Shas 'el HQs or something!

Now the Space marines!

Why take Steath?
  • They can hold table quarters really well due to the ability stealth
  • They pump out more shots (and basically against a marine in power armor, 18 shots results in 2 wounds)

Now Why Take Crisis?
  • Can take good tank hunting guns
  • Can take good marine killing guns (such as plasma, which is usualy a Must)
  • Better range than steath
  • Higher strenght Weapons

I would take more Crisis in this situation, but ALWAYS have at least 1 squad of steath in your army. They always prove to be useful!
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Old 19 May 2005, 01:27   #7 (permalink)
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From a PURELY statistical point of view, stealthsuits are better. Crisis do something marginally better (like .2) when killing terminators with invul save. From a tourny standpoint, it is best to use two shas'els and 18 stealths. But for just playing and having a versatile army, it's good to have both.
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Old 19 May 2005, 01:52   #8 (permalink)
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yea, my army has 2 groups of 3 crisis and one group of 6 stealth, I just was thinking about taking the stealth out for more battlesuit, but I decided to keep the stealths.
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Old 19 May 2005, 02:07   #9 (permalink)
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For me, I actually always use 18 steath and 2 Fireknife 'Els as VV1LD and I have pointed out. Stealth just rock. But then again, so do crisis.

I just take more stealth cuz for some reason they always do WAY good for me and I love them to death, and the model is way cool.

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Old 19 May 2005, 02:13   #10 (permalink)
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ya id say to keep the listn vercital go for both sens u can
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