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Old 01 Oct 2008, 21:46   #1 (permalink)
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I am playing Chaos and its the last round of the game, with the Chaos player going last.

I have two seperate fire warrior squads sitting on two objectives, and a single flying lash prince uses Lash of Submission to move one squad off the objective, while assaulting a separate squad. I tell the Chaos player that he has to assault the squad he used as the Lash on, because that was his target in the Shooting phase. He insisted that because Lash of Submission doesn't inflict wounds, it doesn't count as shooting.

To all rules lawyers out there, is this maneuver legal?

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Old 01 Oct 2008, 21:58   #2 (permalink)
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It doesn't have to inflict wounds. If I fire five laspistols at a squad of Plague Marines (I'm already in trouble :) I probably won't inflict wounds, but I targeted a unit in my shooting phase. Therefore I must assault that unit.
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Old 01 Oct 2008, 23:45   #3 (permalink)
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Ok, let me be slightly more accurate, his argument was that Lash of Submission CAN'T inflict wounds, wereas lasgun shots might inflict wounds.

I do agree with you, I just need a solid argument to present to him next time he attempts this stunt, especially because I don't know the rules for pyshic powers.
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Ok, let me be slightly more accurate, his argument was that Lash of Submission CAN'T inflict wounds, wereas lasgun shots might inflict wounds.

I do agree with you, I just need a solid argument to present to him next time he attempts this stunt, especially because I don't know the rules for pyshic powers.
If it was a psychic power used in the shooting phase then it counts as firing a weapon.
Check the Psychic powers section in the BOB if you're unsure.
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Old 02 Oct 2008, 02:24   #5 (permalink)
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Now for something related but totally off-topic... What does BOB stand for? :P
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Old 02 Oct 2008, 02:59   #6 (permalink)
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I guess that is what we are calling the 5th Edition Rulebook.
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Old 02 Oct 2008, 03:16   #7 (permalink)
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BOB = big orange book, its one of the acronyms discussed for the name of the book on TO, but no one could come to a concisus
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Old 02 Oct 2008, 06:24   #8 (permalink)
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Yeah, your opponent apparently doesn't understand psyhich powers. It counts as shooting and he has to assault who he shot. So there.

In any case I think that Lash of submission needs a nerf. It's one of the cheeziest psychic powers I've ever seen. The cheapest being fear of the darkness but fortunately that's going the way of the Do-Do in the new Space Marine 'Dex.
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Old 03 Oct 2008, 04:36   #9 (permalink)
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I still need a little help. I looked up page 50 in the rulebook, which covers "Phychic Shooting Attacks", and does clearly state that anyone using such an attack can only assault the target they attack. So that part is good.

However, when arguing with my opponent, he was claiming the Lash of Submission wasn't even a shooting attack, it was just a regular pyschic power that happenend to occur in the shooting phase. I can't find anything on page 50 that automatically declares any pychic power that operates in the shooting phase as a shooting attack, even if it should be obvious.

Thanks for the help.
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It should say in the description and rules for Lash of Submission whether it counts as a shooting attack or not, which I believe it does.
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