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Old 22 Sep 2008, 15:38   #1 (permalink)
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Default How many grenades?

Sorry I'm brain dead after a stressful week.

How many grenades does a unit have to have before they take effect?

If one model takes an EMP grenade then only one attack can be made.
If only one model takes Photons, does an attacking unit loose their attacks?

IE, if a Shas'ui upgrade takes grenades from the weargear list, but the Shas'la do not, what happens.

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Old 22 Sep 2008, 15:40   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: How many grenades?

I was always under the impression, that if you go for grenade, every model in the unit must be upgraded with models.

I'm not sure about mix grenade though, but I don't think it's possible.
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Old 22 Sep 2008, 15:43   #3 (permalink)
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I was always under the impression, that if you go for grenade, every model in the unit must be upgraded with models.

I'm not sure about mix grenade though, but I don't think it's possible.
Agreed, but a conversation I had the other day/week/whenever suggested that you could take grenades via wargear rather than unit.

If so what I want to know is the implications.

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Old 22 Sep 2008, 15:47   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: How many grenades?

If you take photons/emp as a unit upgrade, all models must be armed with them, at the listed cost per model, and therefore they all use them in the right situation for them.

If you take EMP's as wargear on the squad leader, only he may make use of them against a vehicle - 1 guy, one attack.

Photons as wargear (can you?) are a little fishier. My gut has always said that the one guy with photons uses them (as they aren't an AOE weapon) so anyone attacking him or in B2B with him, loses the attack.

I don't know how it works in the rules though.
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Photons as wargear (can you?) are a little fishier. My gut has always said that the one guy with photons uses them (as they aren't an AOE weapon) so anyone attacking him or in B2B with him, loses the attack.
I don't have my codex handy, but IIRc there is only 1 grenade listed as wargear...so then photon can only be taken collectively.
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Old 22 Sep 2008, 17:46   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: How many grenades?

The codex talks about the Photon grenade (And EMP) stating that the Team can be upgraded to having them for a certain point cost.

They very next line states that one Fire Warrior can be upgraded and can carry war gear.

War Gear goes on Crisis suits. IMO No grenades are labeled as war gear. If they were, they could go on suits, since suits have access to Tau war gear for their hard points. I don't see where you can give something to the team, but it not end up on the Shas'ui, except.....in Army Builder, which is flawed. Maybe I am wrong.
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Default Re: How many grenades?

There are 3 wargear list.

1 for suits; 1 for troops and 1 for vehicule.

The one for troop have a granede listed for x points, right under the ethereal honour blade IIRC...in addition to the squad option to upgrade with grenades.
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Old 22 Sep 2008, 18:26   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: How many grenades?

I know for troops, the photon grenade is listed under the firewarrior entry as 1pt / model. I thought the EMP was in the wargear section, but that may be the suite section. But I know the photon one is right.
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Old 22 Sep 2008, 18:31   #9 (permalink)
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EMPs are in the infantry section, photons are not.

No, they aren't in the suit section, suits can never ever have grenades
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Old 22 Sep 2008, 19:08   #10 (permalink)
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Default Re: How many grenades?

Thanks all, I think it settles the question, certainly under Tau, Photons can only be taken as a unit upgrade, not as a wargear upgrade.

Can the same be said of other armies? SMs recieve frag and krak as standard now (I think).

In fact, now that I'm home and actually reread the rules, only the models armed with them receive the bonus. I was under the impression the rules said 'units armed with'.

Oops, well I did say I was stressed.

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