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Old 10 May 2005, 17:06   #1 (permalink)
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A quick question: if a fully loaded DF ( 12 FW's ) get shot down with a glancing 6, since the drones are "counted as passengers " does your opponent roll 14 dice to include the drones or just 12 for the guys inside?( rerolling anything less than 4* cause I always move more than 6" )??

and do the drones, as a separate squad, have to take their entanglement test at their crappy ld4?
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Old 10 May 2005, 17:12   #2 (permalink)
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You also roll for drones, but I`m not sure if they count as entangled. So yes, you can roll 14 dice, but remember the drones stay a seperate unit. 8)
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Old 10 May 2005, 18:34   #3 (permalink)
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Nothing in the Codex one way or another - they're just counted as passengers. It doesnt make sence for them to be entangled, since they: Hover and exit opposite sides of the vehicle, so they wouldn't likely get tangled up in terrain or each other.
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Old 10 May 2005, 18:51   #4 (permalink)
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That is the way that I play - the drones merely detatch and fly away when the dfish gets exploded.
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Old 10 May 2005, 19:17   #5 (permalink)
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Drones are treated as passengers when the vehicle is damaged. Passengers are entagled when their vehicle is destroyed. Therefore attached Drones are entangled when the vehicle that they're attached to gets destroyed.
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Old 10 May 2005, 20:19   #6 (permalink)
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I guess they could potentially get stuck in the rubble if they didn't detach. Also, does the jet pack "move in the assault phase" still applied if they disembark after the Fish has moved?
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Old 10 May 2005, 20:24   #7 (permalink)
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Also, does the jet pack "move in the assault phase" still applied if they disembark after the Fish has moved?
Good question. Nobody knows. This has been argued back and forth for a long time on the internet and to date, I've not seen a conclusive answer. What do you think?
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Old 10 May 2005, 20:30   #8 (permalink)
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Tonka answered it justly. It states they are treated as passengers. That makes perfect sense that they follow the rules for passengers on transports as normal. So they indeed become entangled if they survive the crash.

Now for the second question. Do they get their assault move? I would argue no. Now the codex does not specifically state that the assault move is made in place of assaulting, and it says we may always make this move. However, disembarking from a vehicle that is not open topped prevents assault. This is the same exact sense as Deep Strike. Tau specifically may not use their assault move after deep striking in the FAQ 4.0.1. For the same reason, since you may not assault, why would you be able to use an assault move in the assault phase? You can't. There is no absolute text that states it perfectly, but it's pretty simple and just to assume that Drones may not perform their assault move after disembarking from a moving vehicle -- if it was stationary when they disembarked, then of course they can. Otherwise--Nope.
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Old 10 May 2005, 20:43   #9 (permalink)
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I was in error about entanglement-* :there is no test they are simply pinned, and I agree Malveaux- no assault allowed should also mean no assault move allowed.

How about this question: if the vehicle moved less than 6" and takes a pen hit, but no damage is done, when the "passengers" disembark and have to take a pin test- do the drones test on their own Ld. while the FW's use their own?
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Old 10 May 2005, 20:53   #10 (permalink)
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Mal, I agree with your points. However, I'd like to present the counter argument.

The Codex and the Rulebook both make several references to the difference between assaulting and moving in the assault phase. The two are functionally different actions. Simply because one is prohibited doesn't necessarily prevent one from doing the other. There are many instances where both are precluded, but this does not mean that any time one is forbidden that we should assume the other is as well.

For example, after firing heavy weapons models are not normally allowed to assault. However, a Stealth Suit team leader with a Markerlight is allowed to remain stationary during the movement phase, fire his Markerlight during the shooting phase and then move in the assault phase. He's not allowed to assault, but he is allowed to move in the assault phase.

As you say, there's no definative word one way or the other, but evidence exists for both points. At this point, it's pretty much a toss-up in my opinion.
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