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Upcoming 5000 point three-way game. Could I get some help?
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Old 05 Sep 2008, 23:10   #1 (permalink)
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Default Upcoming 5000 point three-way game. Could I get some help?

As the title says, I have a game of Apocalyptic proportions coming up, and I'm at a loss on what to take. :-\ The game will be done via Vassal, so miniatures aren't a problem on selection. My opponents are playing Necrons and Tyranids, respectively.
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Old 06 Sep 2008, 03:47   #2 (permalink)
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Well, seeing how this seems to be mostly ignored, I will go ahead and offer my advice, though I am certainly no expert...

First of all, you will be facing two very different armies here. That means you cannot prepare as well for a specific enemy as you can in a regular game. That being said, there are probably 3 basic options to choose from:

1. Massed Pulse Weaponry:
the name says it all. Basically, take lots of stealthsuits, fire warriors (possibly with transports) and maybe throw in some pathfinders. You will also need a few heavy weapons, maybe in the form of some fireknife suits, or an ionhead, to take care of tougher targets.
This will be effective against the tyranids, but not so much necrons, so if you maneuver badly/ are singled out by the necron player, things will go to well.

2. I Don't Know What To Call This One:
This name, oddly enough, says nothing about the list, but you might be able to guess what it is. you just take everything you would when fighting MEQs. This means plasma, railguns, more pathfinders, railrifles, etc.
Obviously this will work on the necrons, but you will be a bit wasteful to use on tyranids.

3. The Balanced Approach:
Yep. You guessed it. Just balance you force so that half can fight nercons, and half fight tyranids. However, out of all the options given, I would least suggest this one. If your army is set up badly, or the other players team up on you, then you will lose quickly.

So, what is the correct option? Well, that is up to you. It would help to know a bit more about your opponents. If you know one is a better player, or one likes you and may side with you, (or at least direct more fire to the other player) then you can design your army to take out the lesser threat. I would recommend about 75% directed at the weaker opponent, and the other 25% left to guard against attacks from the other one.

And... that's really all the advice I can offer. Anyway, good luck!
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Old 06 Sep 2008, 03:59   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks. Any thoughts on equipping my FWs? I'm looking at a semi-static gunline and a couple of Fish of Furies for Mont'ka type strikes. I also forgot to mention that the game will be a night fight.
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Old 06 Sep 2008, 06:18   #4 (permalink)
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My suggestion would be use Plasma/Fusion weapon equiped Suits to deal with the necrons exclusively. Use Firewarriors and Hammerheads to deal with the Tyranids. Use the Hammerhead submunition. Take some Broadsides as well, as many as you can bring, as they will be excellent for killing Necron Monoliths/Tomb Spiders and for killing the bigger Tyranids (carnifex/hive tyrants). The broadsides can also open fire with there smart missles if some smaller opponents get to close.

Target priority, I would say first target should be Tyranid Synapse, if your opponent has made the mistake of not attaching his synapse to a unit. Then take out fast enemies such as Wraiths, Gargoyles etc. After that, Necron Monoliths. If you can take all of these out, your lines should have relative safety as the rest of there forces will have to slog it for a turn or two, more that enough for you to put a hurting on them. Also, as they get closer, kill the CC nids, they will hurt alot more that the necron shooting. Only problem I foresee is if your Nid opponent has some Lictors, they can be quite the annoyance.
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Old 06 Sep 2008, 22:24   #5 (permalink)
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Apocalypse through Vassal sounds really interesting. I wonder if it will come out any less chaotic than tabletop Apocalypse always does for me. Anyway, from my experience in Apocalypse it's all about the formations and custom units, with very little about strategy. Tau is hard to play unless the field is very large, because stuff will always be deep-striking, flank-marching, outflanking, or "weird rule of the day"-ing right into your static squishy units. If a battle is actually played out to 5 or 6 turns a lot of this will even out, but in my experience with Apoc. we never get beyond turn 4. Back to my bit about formations, see which ones are available, and use them if possible. The Armoured Interdiction Cadre is fantastic, and there are other ones that look nasty as well. Fast Devilfish, linked Skyray markerlights, Deep Striking Broadsides, just to name a few. If Vassal has the rules for them, get a Tigershark! I've always wanted to play one of them in Apoc.

If Vassal is only using standard rules, then tactics adapted from standard games could actually work. Go heavy on the broadsides and tanks, though, as Tau have some of the best heavy support choices in the game, and not being limited to 3 of them will help you out more than most. I would also run your broadsides as team leader or shas'vre Monats so they can get stabilizers, plasma rifles, multi-trackers, and shield drones, and a single deadly barrage will only kill 1 suit.
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Old 08 Sep 2008, 22:56   #6 (permalink)
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Alright, thanks guys. This has helped quite a bit, and my list is coming along nicely. I'll try to get pics and commentary along the way and put up a batrep when we're done.
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Old 08 Sep 2008, 23:39   #7 (permalink)
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Thought of a manta? Its gotta be the only place most people will field one.
Other than that, just lots of tau using formations and some flyers.
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Old 08 Sep 2008, 23:54   #8 (permalink)
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Sadly, I can't use them on Vassal, the sprites haven't been done.
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