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Old 28 Aug 2008, 12:11   #1 (permalink)
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Default How far do the Tau recognise the CSM as a seperate faction?

CSM are essentially gue'la just like their loyalist cousins. I know the Tau have a kill on sight order almost because they recognize the danger of Chaos. but at the end of the day do they actual recognise a difference between them and the "good guys".

Basically would the Tau refer to the CSM as gue'la like they do to the imperium despite them being different factions? or would they refer to CSM as Mont'au? i always kind thought that was more for demons. but do they refer to both CSM and Daemons as Mont'au?
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Old 28 Aug 2008, 13:48   #2 (permalink)
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Tau are not so stupid as to confuse Chaos with non-Chaos. Hell, most sponges can tell the difference.

Chaos aren't just a bunch of limp-wristed Emos who wear black makeup and cry about how nobody understand them. Chaos are Warped. Chaos energy corrupts the universe, and perverts living things in body, mind and soul. Chaos is a cancer, and abhorrent blight upon reality that instantly and instinctively repulses any sane creature that encounters it.

The only way a Tau could confuse Chaos and non-Chaos is if they were dead.
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Old 28 Aug 2008, 16:12   #3 (permalink)
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While I don't exactly agree with Wargamer that I would be repulsed by this aura that a CSM would have standing next to me, the armor of the CSM is pretty distinctive. I can tell the difference by looking on the battle field and seeing the models, I would think the Tau commanders, having gone over tons of footage of battles, would be faster in recognizing it. I think they would blast first, feel aura later.

As for, if they think that they are CSM vs. another faction of humans, I'd say they would put them into another faction of the dreaded Space Marine that the Tau hate so much. Maybe they hate the CSM even more because they are chaos?

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Old 28 Aug 2008, 16:38   #4 (permalink)
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I think it would depend a little on which Legion it was. Tau could be excused for confusing the Blood Angels and a small band of World Eaters until they had more time to research it. Armies like the Iron Warriors and the Alpha Legion might also have been able to convince the Tau that they were loyalists. Same thing with other renegades.

But I have to think most of these things would only work once or twice without dedicated attempts at deceit. Chaos is very proud of its symbols, and symbol-recognition is not terribly difficult.
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Old 28 Aug 2008, 20:49   #5 (permalink)
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So if a chaos fleet where to show up in the Tau emprire, the Tau would clearly recognise it as a Mont'au rather than Gue'la?
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Old 28 Aug 2008, 21:34   #6 (permalink)
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That is actually a different question altogether. The fleets used by the Traitor Legions are usually composed of older classes of ships than those used by the modern Imperium. Their general appearance is very different (even if they haven't been mutated), and their performance is consistantly different as well.

So it would be much easier to tell a Chaos fleet from an Imperial fleet than it would be to tell Chaos Space Marines or Guardsmen from loyalists.
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While I don't exactly agree with Wargamer that I would be repulsed by this aura that a CSM would have standing next to me, the armor of the CSM is pretty distinctive.
Have you read the books? Or anything from Dark Heresy?

Chaos is much more powerful than that. If, in the Imperium, you even speak the name of one of the Chaos Gods you're inviting madness. It's not just about the armour, you get a feeling of dread, of sickening primal horror when in the company of anything touched by Chaos. It's all most can do not to retch. We don't get this put across on the tabletop, but it is there. They do have a palpable aura that you can feel, even those as psychically cut off as the Tau can recognise it.
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Old 28 Aug 2008, 22:08   #8 (permalink)
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While I don't exactly agree with Wargamer that I would be repulsed by this aura that a CSM would have standing next to me, the armor of the CSM is pretty distinctive.
Have you read the books? Or anything from Dark Heresy?

Chaos is much more powerful than that. If, in the Imperium, you even speak the name of one of the Chaos Gods you're inviting madness. It's not just about the armour, you get a feeling of dread, of sickening primal horror when in the company of anything touched by Chaos. It's all most can do not to retch. We don't get this put across on the tabletop, but it is there. They do have a palpable aura that you can feel, even those as psychically cut off as the Tau can recognise it.
There is nothing suggesting that in Tau fluff.

Quite the opposite actually if you really wanted to point it out.
I think the best representation was when we "killed" Slaanesh. The Tau reporting felt nothing at writing or hearing the name. Nor did he mention his squad feeling anything.
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Okay, maybe those psychically cut off as the Tau can't feel it.

But my main point still stands. For humans, and especially Eldar, this is there. It doesn't go any further with the Tau distinction topic of the thread, but it goes anti Ranzin's point that he would be fine standing next to a CSM. Why do you think the Eldar never *say* Slaanesh?
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Old 29 Aug 2008, 07:51   #10 (permalink)
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And then of course, there's those didantic module things in their brain so I'm sure it would recognize it. La Kais was able to recognize that the Space Marines he faced were Raptors, so they can distinguish chapters, and they can be confusing too. (I know I get some confused.)
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