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Old 07 May 2005, 19:50   #1 (permalink)
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in a 1850pts game i have 3 HH im thinking 2 RH and ionH against eldar what do u think would do more good aganst eldar ?
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Against the Eldar, the Railgun is supreme. The uses however, are very different.

For example, the Ion Cannon would play more of an anti-tank roll as well as anti-heavy infantry (including wraithlord fire, reapers, etc).

The Railgun on the other hand should never be firing it's solid shot, as the template is an instrument of Doom against the Eldar. If you markerlight it, the submunition shot will ignore those concealed cover saves making huge holes in their squads. S10 weaponry is just a waste against their armor as S7 in good amounts does the job better.

The Ion Cannons are more fun, but really, the Railgun against Eldar is just a more efficient choice.
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The ion is good agaisnt the more heavily armored eldar and killing their tanks since the railgun negates to str. 8 against them and the railgun is good against the troops taking out a squad at a time.. I would go 2 railguns and 1 ion like you said.

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Old 07 May 2005, 20:14   #4 (permalink)
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Against the Eldar, the Railgun is supreme. The uses however, are very different.

For example, the Ion Cannon would play more of an anti-tank roll as well as anti-heavy infantry (including wraithlord fire, reapers, etc).

The Railgun on the other hand should never be firing it's solid shot, as the template is an instrument of Doom against the Eldar. If you markerlight it, the submunition shot will ignore those concealed cover saves making huge holes in their squads. S10 weaponry is just a waste against their armor as S7 in good amounts does the job better.

The Icon Cannons are more fun, but really, the Railgun against Eldar is just a more efficient choice.
which tanks would u use the ion cannon on ? ion are good against wrathords good i hate them ans the Avatar what do i use on him ?
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The Ion Cannon does very fine against all eldar skimmers. Especially War Walkers. The thing is, just because it doesn't glance on a 2+ against the skimmers doesn't make it worthless. Firing upon a tank with the railgun, reduced to S8 provides a single chance to glance on a 4+. Taking 3 chances to glance on 5+ is better (in my opinion).

Against Wraithlords and Avatars, the Ion Cannon is a very good weapon (it rips through Avatars). A beast with T6 and a 5+ save is nothing scary for Tau to beat down--pulse rifles do the job just fine. However, if it's vital, the ion cannon can do it too.

However, we have XV8's for anti-eldar-armor duty with twin-linked missile pods. This is my favorite weapon of choice against the pointy-ears, and in my opinion is one of the best all around weapon systems against them.
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I'd go 2 Rail 1 Ion for normal 2-3 Tank eldar (this assumes at least one TLMP Crisis Monat)

the Ion does well VS Wraithlord whores o Tansport whores as the increased shot Ratio matters more given the Eldar tanks sweet defensive upgrades.

Rail for Troops Ion for Tanks, a bit of a reversal, but looking at the army it should be easy to pick the Ratio
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The 2 rail 1 ion would work, but if you/he uses crisis suit squads with fireknife combinations, that ion might not be needed. On the other hand, having 3 pie plates versus eldar is just devastating, especially markerlighted (hit on 2+ str6ap4 ordnance >). I suggest trying them both out, and seeing which works better for you.
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The 2 rail 1 ion would work, but if you/he uses crisis suit squads with fireknife combinations, that ion might not be needed. On the other hand, having 3 pie plates versus eldar is just devastating, especially markerlighted (hit on 2+ str6ap4 ordnance >). I suggest trying them both out, and seeing which works better for you.
3 Pie pates is always nice, but you'll kill the troops awful fast and then be wanting Ion to deal with the tanks as one railshot often gets beaten by the forcefeild on a WS or the HF & SS on the Falcon :P
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The 2 rail 1 ion would work, but if you/he uses crisis suit squads with fireknife combinations, that ion might not be needed. On the other hand, having 3 pie plates versus eldar is just devastating, especially markerlighted (hit on 2+ str6ap4 ordnance >). I suggest trying them both out, and seeing which works better for you.
3 Pie pates is always nice, but you'll kill the troops awful fast and then be wanting Ion to deal with the tanks as one railshot often gets beaten by the forcefeild on a WS or the HF & SS on the Falcon :P
forcefeild ? make the s10 a s8?
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Missle pods are perfect for eldar tanks. O0
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