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The fire warrior- Pulse rifle or Pulse carbine? (With Dfish)
View Poll Results: What do YOU think is better for fire warriors with a devilfish transport?
Pulse rifle. 31 79.49%
Pulse carbine. 6 15.38%
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Old 15 Aug 2008, 10:29   #1 (permalink)
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Default The fire warrior- Pulse rifle or Pulse carbine? (With Dfish)


Just wondering which gun is better for a unit of twelve fire warriors and a devil fish.

The rifle or the carbine.

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Old 15 Aug 2008, 12:07   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: The fire warrior- Pulse rifle or Pulse carbine? (With Dfish)

Personally, with FoF I prefer the carbine simply because you rarely need the full 30" range, it is as strong as the pulse rifle and you do get the pinning as an added bonus...just in case.
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Old 15 Aug 2008, 12:23   #3 (permalink)
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I run two 10-man units of firewarriors with Rifles in fishes (one of the is the pathfinder fish) and a 8 man team on foot with carbines and EMP 'nades. With the markerlights support, they will pin what they are supposed to, making them very effective against faster elements.
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I believe Rapid Fire is king when it comes to FoF, so Rifles for me, its all about damage, the pinning test can be done with other units such as drones / snipers etc. The whole pinning a unit thing is cool and all but when you're fighting against Daemons of chaos or well any fearless unit it becomes utterly worthless.
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Old 15 Aug 2008, 13:38   #5 (permalink)
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It was once said that every unit and their dog is either Ld 10 or Fearless... That made Carbines suck so hard compared to the Pulse rifle in an FoF, but if a pinning test is forced for every unsaved wound from any pinning weapon, at least we can still make Ld 10 units fail by volume of dice.

Basically, it boils down to what your army does. Mine assaults a lot, so I was considering switching to all carbines for the increased mobility, and the reduced need for fishes. But if 12" rain of pain is what you are after, then pulse rifles all the way.
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Old 15 Aug 2008, 16:01   #6 (permalink)
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I take:

Shas'o commander.
2 body guard.
3 XV8's
3 XV8's
6 slealths.
12 FW's + FoF
8 FW's + FoF
12 kroot
8 gun drones.
Hammer head.

All for 1500pts, so do you think I need carbines or rifles for the FW's.

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Old 15 Aug 2008, 16:32   #7 (permalink)
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I'd say that you should use pulse rifles. You dont have very many fire warriors so rapid fire weapons will double their effectiveness. I find it to be much more effective to kill a unit outright than to take the off chance that I might pin an enemy unit.

I've started taking 3 squads of 10 fire warriors in devilfish, it's very intimidating to my opponents and when I get them all in the same place it's 60 strength 5 shots. When guided by markerlights it doesn't matter who's in that unit, they're probably going down.
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Please could you specify how tau FW's benefit from a markerlight, because I can't make sense of it in the codex. Is it the whole squad or what ???

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Default Re: The fire warrior- Pulse rifle or Pulse carbine? (With Dfish)

Short answer: Yes.

Depending what you use the markerlight token for, it,s your whole FW team that benefitr from it or the whole of the enemy team that suffers from it.

Keep in mind that FW cannot benefit from the marker token of their own shas'ui...so if you give your shas'ui a markerlight make sure he ca target a different team...or you are potentially wasting the firepower of 2 squads on 1 enemy squad.
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So really I need to give both FW squad leaders markerlights so if squad 1's leader fired the 'light at say, a termie squad; FW squad 2 would benefit and if FW squad 1's leader fired his 'light at say, a chaplain, then FW squad 2 would benefit?
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