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As requested by Lonely Tau, I present a sticky-able version of the Tau =/= Communism essay.
[hr] Revised Essay on the Tau Government and Communism In response to many of the recent claims otherwise, the Tau are not a Socialist, Marxist, or Communist state. --- Communism and Marxism --- Put quite simply, taken directly from Wikipedia, Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production. Tau are not classless, having a rigid Caste and Rank system that while does not impose any stigma on being of a lesser rank while preaching equality, is far from equal. A Shas'la cannot wake up one morning and decide to be a Kor'la - it is forbidden of him, thereby stripping the Shas'la of his would-be Communist/Marxist freedom of not having an exclusive sphere of activity but being able to be accomplished in any branch he wishes. He is placed where the Empire wants him, then inconspicuously and subtly forced to submit. --- Socialism and Democracy --- Socialism, on the other hand, is a much broader socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community, and is often characterized by state or community ownership of the means of production. The Tau community does not control the Empire's property or distribution of wealth, again having a rigid Caste system and government-placed jobs based on the needs of the Empire and abilities of the individual. If anyone has control of the Tau's property and wealth, it is the High Councils and the Aun who distribute it "equally" amongst the public. In addition, full Socialism would not work without extensive implementation of Democracy - another little system of government that the Tau do not grasp. The common Tau has no say in how he lives his life; his individuality is slightly/extremely suppressed (depends on how you look at it), he serves his superiors without question, and devotes his life to the Greater Good of his nation. Only the High Councils and the Aun have any say in how the Empire progresses. --- What are the Tau then? --- With this in mind, you should now be able to see that while Collectivist in nature, the Socialist/Communist approach simply doesn't parallel or mesh with the Tau Empire very well. So what are they, you ask? I strongly believe that the Tau Empire has much more in common with the concepts of Imperialistic Utilitarianism, a rather vague but overall more fitting explanation or description for how the Tau run things (rather than an even more vague and irrelevant socio-economic system, considering the fluff still hasn't provided any information regarding a Tau economic system at all). Imperialism, being the forceful extension of a nation's authority by territorial gain or by the establishment of economic and/or political dominance over other nations. Utilitarianism, being the ethical doctrine that the moral worth of an action is determined solely by its contribution to overall utility. Utility, being the "good to be maximized" (sound familiar?). Quote:
--- Despots, Totalitarianism, and Oligarchies? --- So now you may find yourself asking, doesn't this mean that the Tau Empire is run by despots if the common people really have no say in their own futures? In a manner of speaking, yes, but don't look at it from a human perspective. Separate yourself from the idea that "all men are created equal" and forget you ever learned about the concepts of freedom and democracy, and you can see that being a despotic society isn't necessarily an "evil" thing at all when implemented in the way that the Tau implement it. Being a Despotic society seems to be one of the only ways to make what the Tau Empire does, work. No so-called "ethical", "moral", or "free" individual in their humanly right mind would want to willingly give up that freedom or individuality to exercise the type of Utilitarianism that the Tau Empire practices daily - they'd have to be subtly forced or coerced into doing it, as we know the Ethereals do through the fear of returning to the Mont'au. As stated by Khanaris, and extrapolated by myself, these rulers are Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies of the Aun Caste (overseen by "Chairtau" Aun'va) and the the tight-knit Meritocratic "Lower Councils" comprised of figureheads of the Elemental Castes. Of course, the Tau implement so many of these systems across the various Sept worlds that comprise the Empire that it is a Checks and Balances system in its own, ensuring no one Tau can ultimately control every aspect of the entire Empire, but it's speculated that Aun'va could come dangerously close to it. This is likely simply due to the fact that he is said to be the oldest and wisest Ethereal, so many Tau would believe that there wouldn't be anything wrong with his council, suggestions, or declarations and wouldn't bother to oppose him, even if they could. In addition, this is a very Totalitarian society, in which the state regulates nearly every aspect of public and private behavior so that individuals are allowed certain personal freedoms, except when they are counter to the Utilitarian and Religious ideals of the "Greater Good". --- Utilitarian Misconceptions --- Like the Wikipedia article says, there are two common "misconceptions" about modern human Utilitarian society that seem to have to be justified by/to us humans to understand or accept for ourselves. Quote:
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It is perfectly acceptable in Tau society (whether the individual Tau has any say or not) to follow such an extreme form of Utilitarianism as morally justifying anything that hurts one to help many, or to sacrifice one's individual interests for the sake of the nation as a whole - which is probably why so many people find it hard to wrap their heads around this concept - because we aren't little blue aliens and so our brains work differently. But if you want the Tau in a nutshell with as many labels as possible, then here's what you get. The Tau Empire Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society ruled by Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies presiding over Meritocratic Councils but more importantly... The Tau Empire - NOT COMMUNIST/MARXIST/SOCIALIST SPACE RUSSIANS/CHINESE And that's just the political side of the house. We still have very little information on how the Tau's economic system works, so we can only theorize and wait before we can start adding a Socialist/Capitalist label for that. If you want, you can add even more defining labels to it than what I have included above, but juxtaposing specific human socio-economic systems onto an alien culture of little blue aliens (which we still don't know enough about to make a final decision on) just doesn't work. Hope this helps. 1+ karma - C_V
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Yay, I was mentioned in the beginning ^_^
But seriously, excellent work and I think this should be stickied for all of the Tau members to see. It would certainly be a good thing to point out when we have more topics asking the exact same thing. |
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Stickied and maybe locked to avoid a flame war.
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Thanks again for the clarification. i didnt know that the question had already been brought up. ile search through the old posts more thoroughly when i want to post something from now on.
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What they all said. Very nicely done ;D
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But why would you need to think that deep?
I wouldn'y really place the tau as a political state equal to any known today.
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Nice, DB, hope this article puts to rest the relatively small but somewhat annoying misinterpretation of the Tau fluff.
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Thanks for the kind words, guys.
@ Floobosaurus - Unfortunately, I really doubt this will "put the cries of communism to rest", considering it was written over a year ago... ![]() @ Manic-Swede - We don't need to think that deep, but some of us want to think that deep to get a better understanding of the race we play. As for your statement that you wouldn't place the tau as a political state equal to any known today, I completely agree with you! Stated at the end of my article, the "Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society ruled by Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies presiding over Meritocratic Councils" label is simply the closest we can come up with using what we humans have experienced. Juxtaposing specific human forms of government and/or socio-economic systems onto an alien race is ultimately impossible, but this was my best shot.
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question! question!
why did you add space russian socialists at the end? we all know putins really in command hence being a closet dictatorship other than that very well done. also thanks for making all the descriptions simple to understand i used to get so confused on several forms of government....
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Link added in important topics sticky.
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