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Old 11 Aug 2008, 15:07   #1 (permalink)
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Recently, while talking with my dad, I realized that the Tau were really just demonstrating a version or communism that actually worked. "For the greater good" is just the same as "for the motherland". No-one has the chance to advance in life, and the powerful stay in power while the poor stay poor. This is the same as with the Tau, where the Enthrals keep their power for life and are born with it, while farmers are born farmers and stay farmers. I would strongly like someone to prove me wrong, as the idea of playing a race that consits of a communistic (is that a word) life style is very unappealing to me.
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Old 11 Aug 2008, 15:23   #2 (permalink)
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I'm sure this topic must have been talked about to death but as I'm new I don't know any better.

What have you got against communists?
Does it really matter as its only a game?
Out of all the races in the 40k universe who do you think have the most fair form of government?
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Old 11 Aug 2008, 15:23   #3 (permalink)
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They are biologically "designed" to be utilitarian. It's not really a choice for any of them in my POV. The Ethereals are able to control the others through pheromones, not of their own scheming but to do evolution. The Fire caste is large and warring. Their race just works out that way in a biological sense..

Also, I haven't read anything to suggest the non-Ethereal Tau live in impoverished conditions, for all we know they live very well, just no upward movement (from caste to caste) because they are not biologically equipped to handle it.. However some military commanders to become some part of some ruling council, says it right in the codex.. That's upward movement..

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Old 11 Aug 2008, 15:29   #4 (permalink)
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I'm sure this topic must have been talked about to death but as I'm new I don't know any better.

What have you got against communists?
Does it really matter as its only a game?
Out of all the races in the 40k universe who do you think have the most fair form of government?
I don't like communism solely becuase of what the outcome always turns out to be. in real life, communism has failed time and time again, with disasterous results. one good example is the U.S.S.R under Stalin. Also, communism has been, for a long time, the sole enemy of the U.S, and I am extremely patriotic. anyways, this effects the game becuase of the "Fluff" part of the hobby, and, to some people, the "fluff" and background of an army is just as important, if not more, than the in-game preformance of an army. I am not saying that this form of goverment, when implemented by the Tau, is bad per-say, but instead pointing out the similarities.
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I personally see it more as the Indian Caste system. Each Caste has it's role to play for the good of the society:
Ethereal: Ruling/Religious Caste
Fire: Warriors
Water: Diplomaty/Administration
Air: Navy (Space)
Earth: Labour

Each Caste play their role; and within, the same Caste, some are more important that other, some are richer then other; but each play their role and seek to advance within their Caste.

There is simply no movement between the Castes. So if you are born a Air Caste, you will die and Air Caste...but you could be a very successful of a very poor Air Caste depending on choices and circumstance.


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Old 11 Aug 2008, 15:34   #6 (permalink)
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Doombringer is gonna have a field day with this one...

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Tau are NOT communist. DB is better with the specifics.

As for the caste system, its not as simple as "you are born a farmer and die a farmer". Castes are separate sub species - trying to make an Earth Caste switch is like you saying you want to become a monkey.

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as the idea of playing a race that consits of a communistic (is that a word) life style is very unappealing to me.
Why? Nowt wrong with communism. The fact that humanity cannot make the system work doesn't mean its a bad idea.
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Doombringer is gonna have a field day with this one...
he will post some links, including one to a discussion on ATT about it, some to wiki, and prove just how little some people (including me) know : (i have seen it before)
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Tau are NOT communist. DB is better with the specifics.

As for the caste system, its not as simple as "you are born a farmer and die a farmer". Castes are separate sub species - trying to make an Earth Caste switch is like you saying you want to become a monkey.

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as the idea of playing a race that consits of a communistic (is that a word) life style is very unappealing to me.
Why? Nowt wrong with communism. The fact that humanity cannot make the system work doesn't mean its a bad idea.
you are right about the caste switching thing. the reason that this is unappealing to me is becuase when I think of communism, the first thing that comes to my head is the U.S.S.R and North Korea and such and how horrible the citizens of those places lifestyles were. when some-one says "communism", i relate it to poverty, murder, and genocide.
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It has been stated in one of the codex's that there IS upward movement.

Movement for the firecaste is in both of them, moving from 'saal, to 'la, to 'ui, etc to o', at which point the O' will have the option to be put on a council.

Movement for the air caste (navy) can be taken directly the same way as this.

Movement in the earth caste seems to be that as you grow older, and pass your trials by earth (?) you are allowed to have a new job (the lowest job is laborer, but the 'o equivelent is engineer i think).

and this can be applied to the water caste.

so there IS movement
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It has been stated in one of the codex's that there IS upward movement.

Movement for the firecaste is in both of them, moving from 'saal, to 'la, to 'ui, etc to o', at which point the O' will have the option to be put on a council.

Movement for the air caste (navy) can be taken directly the same way as this.

Movement in the earth caste seems to be that as you grow older, and pass your trials by earth (?) you are allowed to have a new job (the lowest job is laborer, but the 'o equivelent is engineer i think).

and this can be applied to the water caste.

so there IS movement
Thank you for the clarification. I knew of the fire caste advancement but either missed or did not understand the parts that talked about earth, water, and air caste movement.
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