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Old 10 Aug 2008, 16:21   #1 (permalink)
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K guys, I just got my Tau empire codex a few weeks ago since my group is getting back into 40k. As ive been doing some toilet reading and what not and figuring out what to take. I know my main oppenet is marines. I was figuring out some configs for my crisis suits and one I came up with was

Shasui-
Twl Plasma
Targetting array.

This seems like a great MEQ killer, as youve got a bs4 rerollabe ap3 gun, the problem is they come to a total of 60 points a suit and Id like to field a squad of 3.

Is this too expensive for a 1000 or 1500 army? Is this focusing too much on plasma?

LMK what you think. Thanks!
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Old 10 Aug 2008, 16:29   #2 (permalink)
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Nah, it's a bargain since they pay for themsleves. 3 suits with BS 4 and rerollable AP2 gun pretty much gives you in average 2 maybe 3 dead marines. 4-6 is within 12"...personally I find this pretty good. Plus you got a semi descent side/rear armour tank buster too.

Now with some jusiciously well used JSJ, you can have him totting around for most of the game, ensuring autokill every time you shoot (for the most part).

I rarely leave home without mine.

Although you might need some Deathrain, firestorm or stealth suit to complement them.
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Old 10 Aug 2008, 16:33   #3 (permalink)
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I`m fielding this suit (Plasma is AP 2, btw), and I`m really excited about it - especially with the new "Feel No Pain"-rules, Plasma Rifles rock.

Sure, it comes with a hefty price tag, but it DOES reduce MEQs and TEQs to molten slag whenever it catches them in Rapid Fire range.

I use this unit in tandem with my Deathrains, and it works really nice; though there is a bit randomness in their performance:
Last game, the TL PR Crisis melted through a unit of BA Death Company without a problem (thanks to Markers which negated cover); the game before that against Orks, they were rather useless...

If you KNOW that you`re up against MEQs (especially CC-oriented MEQs - and SOB. They really work wonders against SOB - inst-kill and no armour save? Gimme!), I`d go for them.

Sure, the price tag is hefty, but if you combine two TL PR TA Suits with an equal amount of Deathrains, it is still cheaper than two units of Fireknive...

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Old 10 Aug 2008, 18:44   #4 (permalink)
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Do you guys feel like the TA is needed?
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Old 10 Aug 2008, 18:50   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: TWL Plasma and Targeting array: Too expensive?

Well with a BS 4 you have a base 66% chance ot hit, 88% if twin link. A BS 3 gives you 50% chace to hit, 75% if twin link.

I would personally think that yes it is worth it.

Besides what would youp lace as your 3rd mandatory hardpoint?
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Old 10 Aug 2008, 18:53   #6 (permalink)
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I dont know I was just wondering. Also one more question? Squads of 3 a good IDea? I like crisis suits and was gonna go kinda crisis heavy anyway soo...

ALso I appreciate you guys response.
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Old 10 Aug 2008, 18:57   #7 (permalink)
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generally they are taken in squads of 2, something about half the squad and moral...
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Well if you are going ot go Crisis heavy, then yeah a squad of 3 is a good idea...and I would upgrade 1 to team leader nad give him extra goodies.

Another thing ot keep in mind is ys you are gonig ot go for the full 5 squads of crisis (1HQ+3 Elite) you might want ot assign a specific role to each with the adequate weapon configuration.

For exemple:
My 1st HQ is a fire knife+3rd weapon team...allowing them to be polivalent
my 2nd HQ is a Support XV-84 with 2 marker drones...he only light up people and help bring troop from reserve.

My 4 Suit configuration (4 teams of 3 suits) are:
3 Burning eyes (TL plasma rifle + Targetting array)...as said great MEQ killer
3 Firestorm (Plasma+ missile pod + multitraker)... Great antiswarm
3 Deathrain (TL missle pod_ Targetting array)... geat GEQ and light tank killer
3 Helios (Plasma and Fusion blaster + multitracker)...great tank killer; Deepstriker.

I usually pair thme up for 1 team with volume and 1 team with great AP.

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generally they are taken in squads of 2, something about half the squad and moral...
Doesn't really affect a crisis team...whether you go 2 or 3 suit, if you drop below 50% you still need to do Last man standing check(in 4th ed)
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Old 10 Aug 2008, 19:05   #9 (permalink)
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maby it was 25% but there is a reason they are usually seen in squads of 2...
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Default Re: TWL Plasma and Targeting array: Too expensive?

[Tangent]

Whether you have a unit of 2 or 3, losing a single unit causes a morale check (for losing 25% or more of models in a unit).

If you have 2 units, you can never go below 50%, and thus every single unit is going to either be shooting or capable of regrouping after losses - a model is almost never wasted.

If you have 3 units, you CAN go below 50% by losing two units - unless you have a Bonding Knife (which costs you not only the upgrade to team leader/shas'vre but also the points for the BK itself), you've effectively lost a model if it loses a morale check to fall back.

For the same points, 3 teams of 2 suits will be comparatively more survivable than 2 teams of 3. To make them equally survivable, the 2 teams of 3 would have to spend 20 extra points.

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