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Old 30 Jul 2008, 19:40   #1 (permalink)
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I may be missing something, but the SMS does NOT require LOS right? so would that negate a cover save from other troops in the way?
I was fighting 'nids and I wound up in a corner with a line of FireWarriors infront of my Broadside, my opponent used my troops as cover from the rail but should he have gotten one from the SMS?
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 19:43   #2 (permalink)
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Mmm, now this is actually quite the interesting question. Indeed the SMs doesn't require LOS, so in this respect you might want to use similar rule as bombardment do in respect to troops.

On the other hand I would still be incline to offer them terrain based cover bonus, because if you are behind a wall or in the wood this would impede the missiles.

In short it's a toss up.
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 19:44   #3 (permalink)
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The target only gets a cover save vs SMS if they are in cover, otherwise the SMS shoots over intervening cover.
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Old 31 Jul 2008, 03:37   #4 (permalink)
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Y'know, it does specifically say in the description that it passes around intervening cover and that the target only gets cover if they are in or touching intervening terrain.

So if your opponent is not in or touching the any type of area terrain they do not get a cover save from SMS. This is pretty awesome. I did not know that.
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Which basically mean that warfish might get more popular...despite the fact of only getting 4 shots as oppose to 7 in 4th ed. It's still 4 shots that ignore LOS.
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Old 31 Jul 2008, 16:32   #6 (permalink)
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Oh, what wishful thinkers. ;D

The shot still counts as originating from the model with the SMS, so it's line of effect still passes through the intervening stuff, even if that stuff would normally block LoS. In short, the targets should still get cover saves.

For it to work the other way, the SMS would need to be a "barrage" category weapon (like the AFP) so that the shot originates from the spot it targeted (hole in the middle of the plate for AFP).

So nice thought, but I don't think it will work that way.
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Old 31 Jul 2008, 16:55   #7 (permalink)
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According to the rulebook, the target only counts cover saves if its in cover, or touching cover that is in between the firer and the target. So if the target is a step away from bush or an adjoining unit, the missiles would loop round and smack em, without cover save.
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Oh, what wishful thinkers. ;D

The shot still counts as originating from the model with the SMS, so it's line of effect still passes through the intervening stuff, even if that stuff would normally block LoS. In short, the targets should still get cover saves.

For it to work the other way, the SMS would need to be a "barrage" category weapon (like the AFP) so that the shot originates from the spot it targeted (hole in the middle of the plate for AFP).

So nice thought, but I don't think it will work that way.
Not wishful thinking at all.

From the Codex: "The smart missile system fires self-guided missiles with the intelligence of a drone ... passing around any blocking terrain. ... The target can count the benefits of cover they are in, or are touching if it lies between them and the firer."

The codex is very clear on the fact that the target gets no cover save if they are not in cover. In fact they get no cover save if they are touching cover and facing the firer. The missiles simply compensate and changes the path of attack, avoiding intervening terrain.
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one of the US army's new anti-tank weapons goes up first, then comes in and attacks the top of the tank as opposed to the sides. I'd imagine the SMS could do something similar thus avoiding intervening terrain
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one of the US army's new anti-tank weapons goes up first, then comes in and attacks the top of the tank as opposed to the sides. I'd imagine the SMS could do something similar thus avoiding intervening terrain
Pretty much. As described in the codex, it goes around the terrain. It also describes the only situation in which a targe will get a cover save from it. Very handy.
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