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Old 24 May 2008, 08:15   #1 (permalink)
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Default Piranhas in 5th.

Are piranhas going to be completely unusable in 5th, based on the current rumors? What fast attack unit is going to be the favorite choice for the Tau player?

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Old 24 May 2008, 08:26   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Piranhas in 5th.

Anything armor 10 or 11 is going to be extremely easy to pop now. So unless the prices of these skimmers gets cheaper I can see people not using them. I prefer Pathfinder squads myself, and only have 3 Piranhas because I bought the Megaforce.
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Old 24 May 2008, 09:35   #3 (permalink)
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Anything armor 10 or 11 is going to be extremely easy to pop now. So unless the prices of these skimmers gets cheaper I can see people not using them. I prefer Pathfinder squads myself, and only have 3 Piranhas because I bought the Megaforce.
Armour 10/11 skimmers are going to be improved, in my opinion. An armour 11/10/10 open-topped vehicle isn't gonna be protected much by the 'glancing only' rule. My Piranhas die the instant something looks at them funny, currently. A cover save, even of 5+, is much preferable. There's also rumours of a 4+ cover save while moving 'flat out.'
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Old 24 May 2008, 09:39   #4 (permalink)
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Anything armor 10 or 11 is going to be extremely easy to pop now. So unless the prices of these skimmers gets cheaper I can see people not using them. I prefer Pathfinder squads myself, and only have 3 Piranhas because I bought the Megaforce.
Pirhanas are 60 points, how much cheaper can they get?
I'd say they will stay for their ability to move 24 in one turn,
It makes it easier for Tau to contest objectives.

EDIT: I bought pirahna today!
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Old 25 May 2008, 17:00   #5 (permalink)
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Pirhanas are 60 points, how much cheaper can they get?
I'd say they will stay for their ability to move 24 in one turn,
It makes it easier for Tau to contest objectives.

EDIT: I bought pirahna today!
Alrighty, so you must not be familiar with the 5th edition rules rumors. There's two things that you just mentioned right there that Piranhas wont be able to do.

1) Piranhas wont be able to move 24" anymore. They'll only move 18". This isn't such a big deal because moving 18" is plenty. All Fast vehicle will only be able to move 18".

2) Piranhas wont be able to contest objectives anymore. In 5th Ed. the only units that will count as units able to contest an objective are Troops choices. That limits the Tau to either using Kroot or Fire Warriors. Suits (Crisis or Stealth), Pathfinders, Hammerheads, Skyrays, and Piranhas no longer count as scoring units. How crappy is that?
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Old 25 May 2008, 17:06   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Piranhas in 5th.

If you're concerned about survivability you could use TX-42s with their enhanced side armour

Also they are double good in 5th as a regular piranha's gun drone defensive weapons are useless while still attached

plus their weapon options are better anyway
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Old 25 May 2008, 17:08   #7 (permalink)
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2) Piranhas wont be able to contest objectives anymore. In 5th Ed. the only units that will count as units able to contest an objective are Troops choices. That limits the Tau to either using Kroot or Fire Warriors. Suits (Crisis or Stealth), Pathfinders, Hammerheads, Skyrays, and Piranhas no longer count as scoring units. How crappy is that?
Nope. ANY unit can contest objectives, but only troops are scoring. So while my Firewarriors are a scoring unit, my piranha is not. However, if my Piranha is sitting next to an enemy tact squad on an objective they are contesting it.
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Old 25 May 2008, 17:10   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: Piranhas in 5th.

Also, fast skimmers can move up to 24 inches. Normal fast vehicles, i.e. ork trukks, can only move 18.
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Old 25 May 2008, 18:18   #9 (permalink)
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Pirhanas are 60 points, how much cheaper can they get?
I'd say they will stay for their ability to move 24 in one turn,
It makes it easier for Tau to contest objectives.

EDIT: I bought pirahna today!
Alrighty, so you must not be familiar with the 5th edition rules rumors. There's two things that you just mentioned right there that Piranhas wont be able to do.

1) Piranhas wont be able to move 24" anymore. They'll only move 18". This isn't such a big deal because moving 18" is plenty. All Fast vehicle will only be able to move 18".

2) Piranhas wont be able to contest objectives anymore. In 5th Ed. the only units that will count as units able to contest an objective are Troops choices. That limits the Tau to either using Kroot or Fire Warriors. Suits (Crisis or Stealth), Pathfinders, Hammerheads, Skyrays, and Piranhas no longer count as scoring units. How crappy is that?
Pirahnas can contest objectives, they can't capture them.
Fast skimmers can move 24, normal fast vehicles can only move 18.
So there.

I wish everyone would stop being so negative about 5th edition! >

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Old 25 May 2008, 18:21   #10 (permalink)
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Agreed, people keep picking up on the bad stuff and ignoring the good stuff
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