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5th edition Line of Sight problems for fire warrior heavy armies?
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 11:44   #1 (permalink)
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Default 5th edition Line of Sight problems for fire warrior heavy armies?

The beauty of the 30" pulse rifle in 4th edition was you could have your units lined up and get a lot of shots of at the enemy. Really concentrate that fire power. I have 40 fire warriors and this was great. I would deploy some what like this.

X X X X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X X X X

X X X X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X X X X


But with the 5th edition leaked rules about models blocking line of sight apart from models in the same unit, the above formation isn't going to work.

Instead this column idea may work better, but would be vulnerable to blasts, and the rear models would have lousy fire arcs.

XX XX XX XX
XX XX XX XX
XX XX XX XX
XX XX XX XX
XX XX XX XX

So this leads me to a formation like this. I think this is really cool. All models have great fire arcs to the front.

X X X X
XX XX XX XX
XXX XXX XXX XXX
XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX

If you remove casualties from the front, you can distance yourself from the enemy automatically as well.


Anyone else have any options, views, tactics, concerns?
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 14:43   #2 (permalink)
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Models already block LoS. :
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 15:09   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: 5th edition Line of Sight problems for fire warrior heavy armies?

Vehicles, Monsterous Creatures and Close Combats do.

But Currently in 4th edition

X X X X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X X X X

X X X X X X X X X X <------------ These 2 rear units can shoot through the above friendly units.
X X X X X X X X X X

In 5th edition. The front units, will block LoS for the rear units. Hence why i'm playing around with new formations.
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 15:23   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: 5th edition Line of Sight problems for fire warrior heavy armies?

The most recent thing I've heard is that firing through your own troops grants the target unit what is basically a cover save, so it's not so bad, especially when firing at a unit that is already in cover (therefore changing very little about the game dynamics).

On the other hand, using your wedge formation any models out in the open would not get that cover save, so it looks solid to me.

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Old 21 Feb 2008, 15:33   #5 (permalink)
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I'd like to point out here that these theories of yours are still up in the air.

You are basing your theory on rumour and heresay. It's not even a "trial" rule you're using, it's what someone heard from a friend of a friend who is Gav Thorpe's sex slave.

It's far too early to start coming up with "game winning" tactics when you haven't even read the rules.
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 15:38   #6 (permalink)
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I'd like to point out here that these theories of yours are still up in the air.

You are basing your theory on rumour and heresay. It's not even a "trial" rule you're using, it's what someone heard from a friend of a friend who is Gav Thorpe's sex slave.

It's far too early to start coming up with "game winning" tactics when you haven't even read the rules.
On the other hand, its a bit of light relief in the day to day world of work. Humour me please, sometimes chatting on forums about mundane stuff is all I need to get through to 5 o'clock.
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Default Re: 5th edition Line of Sight problems for fire warrior heavy armies?

Whereas I am sick to the back teeth of people who, because of threads like these, assume 5th Edition is coming out in March.

Keep that in mind; your "light relief" can easily become more work for the Mods.
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 15:48   #8 (permalink)
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Get over yourself dude. I've been polite, my post is well written, and i've had a positive response from someone already.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it "more work for the mods". There is no work here. Its a pretty standard run of the mill tactics discussion. if you think I'm being awkward and difficult and your team can't cope with my posts, i'll leave and use other forums. Tau online is one of 13 forums I use. it'll be your loss not mine.

An apology for rudeness towards me, wouldn't go a miss.
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 16:09   #9 (permalink)
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Gareth, if I may ask something.

Why not spread them out a little more?

1)From what I can see, most of your firelines are very vulnerable to template weapons, and that would seriously compromise the entire gunline. The triangular one is very much vulnerable to flamers, while the others are more vulnerable to templates.

2)Your Wedge have a very limited spotting range view (yes, even with the pulse rifle).

If you spread them out, you do not need to suffer too much casualties from the template weapons. In addition, it also increases the spotting range of your models.


But if you want to use the wedge technique, I would suggest that you mix in your current fireline style with you wedge technique to look like this (the first triangle is suppose to be a little lower :P );


* * * * *
* * * * *
* * * * *
* * * * *


Just multiply the number of triangles with the number of FW squads.
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Old 21 Feb 2008, 16:19   #10 (permalink)
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Spreading out is the ultimate option. Sadly 40 FW, 3 hammerheads, 6 XV8s is pretty crowded on a 4x4 in store GW table. So ranking up is usually the only option. Sometimes I'm lucky and can get an elevated position Like a couple of units in a building on several floors.

I like your wedge idea. IF (wrote IF for Wargamer's sake) the units do block each others LOS in the final edition of 5th edition. Then your left wedge will have right hand side view problems.

However for 4th edition 40K I quite like it.
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