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Old 14 Feb 2008, 08:30   #1 (permalink)
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I have recently started my own Tau army list with a new Tau Commander, who while not rouge uses new radical ideas such as possible a Tau heavy tank to counter titans and baneblades, Fire warriors who incorporate heavy weapons, and due to limited fire warriors relies heavily on alien Auxiliaries.

Tonight while working on one of those Auxiliaries Races I decided that I might include a Ethereal as an adviser for my Tau Commander, now I have read though the only Tau fluff i have available which is the original Tau codex and the new Tau codex and cant find much information on the Ethereal that can be useful, so i have a few questions you might be able to answer.

First are the Ethereal actual Tau, or another race that has taken the form of Tau and are guiding them to the Greater Good.

Secondly: Is there a set number of how many Ethereal their are.

and finally: Has anyone else written up any background information on a unique Ethereal character that i could read through to get some ideas for my Ethereal.

Any advice is welcome and as i develop the army i may post it for others to enjoy. Thanks for your time Sting52jb.
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Old 14 Feb 2008, 09:20   #2 (permalink)
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well, i like the idea. but it is very un tauish. they rely on speed and manouverability to beat their enemies. if a fire warrior had a pocket railgun then it wouild make him remarkabley slower and less efficient.

but on ethereals, as has been said in more threads, they would not normally acompany such scale battles, apocalypse maybe, but not normal ones.

this is all i can say as my laptop battery is pretty much dead. so i hoped this helped.
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Old 14 Feb 2008, 09:33   #3 (permalink)
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Roger is my favourite Tau Ethereal named character:


As for your questions:

1. The Ethereals are believed to be Tau, although outside influence is not ruled out. It is unlikely the influence is Chaos; I tend to think one of the Old Ones or their servants is still weakly kicking.

2. There are no set number of Tau anything, each caste breeds endogamously.

It is unlikely for reasons of practicality to have Ethereals in low-points games because of their drawbacks. In addition, while you find gue'vesa ("traitorous" human auxilliaries) with IG loadouts fielded in border regions, and the rare kroot-built army, the Tau military minds have a very set playbook.

It's not that they aren't adaptable, but they find those krumpy builds unpalatable. It's part of their mindset and cultural baggage. Heavy tanks they have, but they are skimmers and in giant battles only. Exceptions are from gue'vesa armies, which happily employ the standard IG loadouts with all that entails.

Correction: there are rules for using gue'vesa in standard Tau loadouts here. But all-gue'vesa armies use IG, because you can AFAIK only take them as a single Troops choice.
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Old 14 Feb 2008, 10:31   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for the input. Anyways as I stated before, while not a rouge army this is a rather unorthodox army with some radical new ideas due to the threats that they have encounters from other races. i have 7,000 points worth of Tau models including wargear, about 2,000 points of this army is Alien auxiliaries. I have fought them a few times and in a 6,500 Tau vs. Imperial guard came to a draw on turn 2 after 3 and a half hours of game time.
The way i picture my Ethereal is he would be a special character that has to accompany the Tau Commander as an adviser and spiritual leader.
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Old 14 Feb 2008, 11:10   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for the input. Anyways as I stated before, while not a rouge army this is a rather unorthodox army with some radical new ideas due to the threats that they have encounters from other races. i have 7,000 points worth of Tau models including wargear, about 2,000 points of this army is Alien auxiliaries. I have fought them a few times and in a 6,500 Tau vs. Imperial guard came to a draw on turn 2 after 3 and a half hours of game time.
The way i picture my Ethereal is he would be a special character that has to accompany the Tau Commander as an adviser and spiritual leader.
I`m sure they are not a rouge army. Even Farsight, who is known for radical ideas, is not a rouge leader. I guess the make-up conflicts a bit with their manlyness... Oh! You meant ROGUE!

Heavy weapons in Tau teams are not a "new" development. They are an old development. Every other army out there has it (well, apart from the Necrons, really), and it is not the Tau way. As already stated, Tau are all for mobility and specialisation; that`s the reason the line troopers are "stuck" with rifles and usually only shoot at enemy infantry, whereas Crisis Suits are specialised to deal with the bigger nasties. The only thing that comes close to a heavy "weapon" is the Markerlight a Firewarrior Shas`ui can carry.
Game-balance wise, the absence of heavy and special weapons in our Troops is actually the reason we have our nifty Crisis Suits ;D

Besides, you can`t actually USE heavy weapons in FW teams without consent of the opponent; as this would be a house rule. And a lot of people tend to be rather strict when it comes to house rules.

Similar problem with your "heavy" Tau tanks. The only Superheavy Tau stuff are fliers (Orca, Manta, all Tigershark models) - again, the mobility issue.
Since all known Tau vehicles are Skimmers (or flyers), a Superheavy would be a Skimmer, too - but the problem is that we have absolutely no idea if the Tau can actually build antigrav engines large enough for Superheavy Skimmers - unlike the Eldar, who clearly can (and therefore have their own excellent range of Superheavy Skimmers from Forgeworld).
Tau Superheavy Skimmers are much like Tau Titans - cool, but not used, fluff-wise.

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Old 14 Feb 2008, 11:41   #6 (permalink)
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As I've stated before this army development if for my and my gaming friends so as long as its is feasible it is allowed and any VDR rules must be seen before added to the game.

I have designed two Tau heavy skimmers to date, one still needs to be renamed but is basically a heavy hammerhead with a twin linked rail cannon, some might have seen the inspiration in the Tau VDR. The second i call the Kraken and it has been VDR'd and my gaming group has approved it and actually displays it in the stores showcase. i; have pictures posted on Works in Progress. same screen name and vehicle name.

As i have also stated this army is testing radical new ideas, they are not really part of the mainstream Tau army and as such cannot rely on massive air support to counter super heavies and heavies.

all my special weapons are just lighter versions of regular weapons carried on battlesuits but attached to a fire warrior squad, some of these weapon are not even classed heavy weapon but have rather high strengths, and i have put restrictions on how many may be deployed due to the fact that its is all experimental.

Second your right i did spell Rogue wrong but i blame it on spell check and being tired.

And finally I don't want to sit hear and argue fluff of my army as it is mine and i have spent many a long nights reading through both the TAU codex and TAU Empire codex to help me explain just why this army would exist. I have a plane on how to incorporate it I am just asking for suggestions to help me implement this army. And when i finis my Codex i will probably post it for everyones enjoyment and at that point every one can tell me just how unfluffy it just is.
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Old 15 Feb 2008, 02:54   #7 (permalink)
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There is actually some precedent for a Tau super-heavy skimmer.
The Scorpionfish, from Epic, is a superheavy. It's essentially an Orca (orbital flier/troop transport) loaded up with so many seeker, heavy seeker, AT and submunition missiles that it can no longer fly, it merely skims like a hammerhead or devilfish.

The key point to note about it however, is that it is a support vehicle, rather than an assault/direct attack vehicle. If the Tau were to use something similar in 40k it would probably only appear in Apocalypse, anything smaller and it may as well be represented by a preliminary bombardment or something similar.
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