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Old 06 Jan 2008, 15:50   #1 (permalink)
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Default Kroot or Vespid?

I know that they are two different units, with different roles, but which one have you found to be worth more?
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Old 06 Jan 2008, 16:18   #2 (permalink)
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Kroot, they are overall more useful in a Tau army. They can infiltrate, cc-screen Firewarriors, occupy terrain and are dirt cheap. Vespids are somewhat expensive and require very special tactics and a careful handling to be useful at all.
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Old 06 Jan 2008, 16:20   #3 (permalink)
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I find the Kroot to be worth a lot more. The ability to infiltrate and the larger numbers, for cheaper, make them easier to field. The Kroot can also take several more models with a cheaper cost by taking Hounds. Plus, the get an extra CC attack just for having their basic rifle. Yes, they don't really have an armour save, but when you think about it, the Vespid don't really either. Most basic infantry weapons will take them both out. The only thing that the Vespid have going for them is that they do have a 1 better armour save (Assuming you take the armour on the Kroot), they are fleet Jump infantry, and they have a better toughness.
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Old 06 Jan 2008, 16:50   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Kroot or Vespid?

I agree with TipTop.

The only thing really going for the Vespid is their speed. Kroot, with their ability to infiltrate, their cheapness and their overall usability (shooting? No problem. CC-roadblock? No problem, either!) just carry the day.

I`ve never found myself in a situation where I wished I had a couple of Vespid in my army... never ever. They can really only be used against MEQs, but their low BS means that you need Markers for them to hit. And even IF they kill off a couple of MEQs, the can`t JSJ, which means that they wither under the retribution fire of their enemies (with MEQs, we are talking about Bolters - which rip them open faster than you can say "I want Crisis instead...").

The only thing I can imagine them to be good at is killing completely isolated enemy units (which is hard, since they can`t do it on their own, so they, in turn, need to be supported), and objective grabbing in the last turns.

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Old 06 Jan 2008, 17:40   #5 (permalink)
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As with everyone else, Kroot. The trouble with Tau armies is that the only place I really often have spare is troops slots. Everything else has to be doing something productive to be worth it, so Vespids, as much as I enjoy using them, simply don't cut the mustard.

My standard Kroot unit of 10+Krootox is a very handy complement to any pattern of my Tau armies, being cheap, cheerful and multi-purpose. The Vespids are just...too expensive to really be much that good, and ineffective enough to be not quite worth it. I do like both units though, and try to fit a squad of each into my armies as I love having options (the Tau force can have so many...'pieces' in it it feels much more dynamic than my Salamanders or Dark Eldar...)

Kroot over Vespids. But I do like both of 'em!
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Old 07 Jan 2008, 07:04   #6 (permalink)
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Like everyone else, I would say Kroot win by a landslide. I have never been able to field Vespid and feel like they were worth it. On the other hand my Kroot are, point for point, my MVP squads in most games. On Friday night they were used as infiltrator pushbacks, killed a Destroyer and a few Genestealers. More than made their points back, and took a lot of enemy fire before they all died in the end of the 6th turn. I love Kroot. Too bad Farsight doesn't.

Not sure why Farsight can't hire Kroot Mercs though.
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Old 12 May 2008, 03:28   #7 (permalink)
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kroot are probably the best option just try and keep them in terrain i find it best to work them with the stealth because with their fire power backing them up and both infiltrating they can pretty much take a flank with realative ease.
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Old 12 May 2008, 06:37   #8 (permalink)
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Kroot, vespid are an overpriced waste of time, frankly.

Check out the mob of kroot you can get for the price of a standard vespid squad, and look at the different roles they can perform...frankly, just shooting, the added range, and the fun of rapid fire allows them to outperform the vespids, and the cover save/extra bodies gives them superior endurance.
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Old 12 May 2008, 06:43   #9 (permalink)
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I dont know, I cant see myself tieing up 20 kroot just to eliminate a squad of 10 marines.

If your going to kill them, do it all at once, and use vespids to kill 3-4 of them (if lucky)

I havent used them personally yet, but they give me the option of taking out stragglers, while my other guys can shoot freely in other directions. Tossing a mob of kroot just seems excessive to me, and a good number of times I find that kroot die in more numbers necessary then they get for what they kill.

but then again if I was delaying someone (or needed to) I could see it happening.
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Old 12 May 2008, 06:50   #10 (permalink)
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Oh, kroot will die...especially if they end up enmeshed in combat with a decent number of true CC specialists. The bright side is that they're cheap enough that it's a reasonable trade points wise, and you have the added bonus of keeping said scary things away from your shooty guys.

Vespid(I literally gave all mine away), suffer from the problem of being both short ranged and very fragile. 5+ armor save is ignored by nearly everything, and they simply cant hold up to anything in CC(heck, a guard command squad will beat them down. or vet guardsmen.) So, you get exactly one shooting phase with them, tops, before they die a swift and brutal death. Kroot at least take effort to remove from the table, especially if you intend to do it via shooting.
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