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Old 10 Oct 2007, 22:56   #1 (permalink)
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is a missle pod and plasma rifle with a multi tracker good for an xv-8??
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Old 10 Oct 2007, 23:04   #2 (permalink)
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Or no.
It depends on what you plan to use it for.

If it's going to be hunting a wide range of targets (which it shouldn't be) then it's good.
Personally, I prefer Missile Pod + Fusion Blaster + Multi-tracker for my anti-tank and Plasma rifle + fusion blaster + multi-tracker for my anti-infantry. I also use Fusion Piranha for anti-tank and I'm considering investing in a Fusion Cannon for my Hammerhead.

[size=1pt]Can anyone see I'm obsessed with fusion weapons?[/size] :shifty:
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Old 11 Oct 2007, 04:19   #3 (permalink)
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Or no.
It depends on what you plan to use it for.

If it's going to be hunting a wide range of targets (which it shouldn't be) then it's good.
Personally, I prefer Missile Pod + Fusion Blaster + Multi-tracker for my anti-tank and Plasma rifle + fusion blaster + multi-tracker for my anti-infantry. I also use Fusion Piranha for anti-tank and I'm considering investing in a Fusion Cannon for my Hammerhead.

[size=1pt]Can anyone see I'm obsessed with fusion weapons?[/size] :shifty:
The Fusion Cannon does look pretty nasty. Why Tau don't have multi-melta weapons anyway, considering their already great collection of weapon technology.

I just wish I could take Flechette Dischargers on all my battlesuits, like Shas'o R'Myr's battlesuit...

Anyway, back to topic. Plasma Rifle/Missile Pod (aka FireKnife) is a pretty great mid-long range configuration. I love equipping a Shas'el with this configuration, but give him a targeting array and hardwired multi-tracker.

For reliable long-range fire, I prefer Deathrain configuration (twin-linked missile pod, targeting array). A team only runs 154 points and can almost consistently hit with 6 shots at 36".

Helios configuration is another popular one (plasma/fusion/mt). It can take out heavy infantry (terminators) and provide anti-vehicle fire.
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Old 11 Oct 2007, 08:20   #4 (permalink)
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I``ve started out using Fireknives (PR, MP, MT) as well, but as my army grew, I wanted to include a second Crisis team - and I stopped myself in time before I added another Firekive-unit. How BORING can an army get?

Imagine playing a Tau army with two FoF-teams, three full Fireknife teams and three Railheads. Sounds boring to me, hu?

So I decided to try out something new, and the Deathrains just amazed me, their accuracy was far above my experiences with the Fireknives.

See, the problem with the Fireknife-configuration is that it isn`t specialised. While this may seem like a good thing at first (i.e. you can deal with most enemies on the table), I soon started to realise that, in reality, it isn`t. When I was shooting Terminators, my MPs hit, and my PRs missed. When I was shooting Cybots, it was the other way around.

Now, I`m running two Crisis units, one Deathrain (TL MPs, TA), the other TL PR/TA, and I´m very happy - and, actually, two specialised teams are cheaper than two Fireknive teams...
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Old 11 Oct 2007, 16:14   #5 (permalink)
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I have two favourite setups for my Teams;

AT squad:
1x Shas'vre
-Fusion Blaster
-Flamer
-Targeting Array
-H/W multi-tracker

1x Shas'ui
-T/L Fusion Blaster
-Target lock

As a deepstriking unit or simple AT this is an excellent unit as it is capable of hitting both GEQ units when they threaten your deepstrike and have the dedicated AT to take out a tank should you need it, depending on the AV of the tank you can squander one or two attempts to kill it, or even all three!

The best bit about the two man status is only one need take a target lock for both to fire independently. Particularly vs Guard or Eldar this combo can be effective, less so vs Marines, but then Marines rarely sit back with many vehicles as dreadnoughts like to get up close.

Helios Team:
1x Shas'vre
-Fusion Blaster
-Plasma rifle
-Targetting array
-H/W multi-tracker

+++Optional+++
-H/W drone controller
-Shield drones
++++++++++++

2x Shas'ui
-Fusion Blaster
-Plasma rifle
-Multi-tracker

This unit is your heavy killer with more or less guaranteed kills each turn it can be a hurt for even terminators or obliterators. With added protection this unit can be a pain in the arse if you keep the squad out of LOS from opponents heavy hitters forcing low strength units to try and bring them down wasting shots on your shield drones. Because of the number '5' it also requires you to have to lose a suit and both drones before making a moral check which can often be about turn three if the unit is being shot at.

Thus it is very good for reducing your opponents options in a game by insuring that his heavy units have to stay hidden.

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In response to the original question. The Fireknife config. as it has become to be known, lacks a good usefulness. It is useful in every game, but it lacks the strength to be a game winner as it is not specialised for taking out certain opponents or hordes.

The Deathrain T/L missile pods and an extra, can be good, but again lack a 'fun' element as they just become a mobile firing platform which is not the most fun in the world and can become repetitive in use.

The Burning Eye T/L plasma rifles is a good setup vs MEQ, but lacks use against other armies with a maximum of two shots per suit.

At the end of the day if we knew the kind of army that you are putting together it may help us suggest the best configs. for you.

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Old 12 Oct 2007, 01:42   #6 (permalink)
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I actually find that the Burst/Plasma is a pretty good combo too. You get a great rate of fire and the plasma is wicked for killing marines. You need to take this in a team of two or three though, a monat in this config would fail completely. Its only good if you can swamp a unit in fire. I've been using this config for years and it works like a charm. I don't care how many str5 Ap5 shots the tau have... they can always use more!
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Old 12 Oct 2007, 03:26   #7 (permalink)
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If you want to stick with a Fireknife (Plasma Rifle (PR), Missile Pod (MP), Multitracker (MT)) config but are worried about accuracy of the PR, than make the XV8 a Team Leader, enabling him to take hard-wired equipment. Then, Twin-Link (TL, T-L) the PR and make the MT hard-wired. This is another 15 points, so the suit is pretty expensive. However, it adds direly-needed plasma to the Tau and makes it very accurate. I run one of these in my 1500 pt list, and have not regretted it. I usually let it sit with my firebase, but if the need is dire, I send it along with my Shas'el (MP, PR, Targetting Array (TA)) to down things that need to be taken out before they hit my lines. Alternatively, I flank around terrain, or just use them as harrassing units. If you ever run into someone Deepstriking into your lines, a config like this plus T-L PR on your Broadsides will eliminate just about anything that does so.
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Old 12 Oct 2007, 04:29   #8 (permalink)
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I've had to remove a number of posts in this thread because they were simply unacceptable. This is a forum, and per the forum rules posts must have at least a decent quality of grammar and be more than a single sentence, otherwise they are spam and shall be removed. This is a warning, repeat spamming will see smites handed out. There is no rush, this is not a chat room, there is a spell check feature so please use it and take your time with posts. There is absolutely no need to rush your posts and not use punctuation and properly express your views.

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Old 12 Oct 2007, 14:15   #9 (permalink)
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Punctuation? Deleted posts? Warnings by a Mod? Spamming single-sentence replies with no content whatsoever? I hope not, otherwise you don`t have a bright future on these boards...

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If you want to stick with a Fireknife (Plasma Rifle (PR), Missile Pod (MP), Multitracker (MT)) config but are worried about accuracy of the PR, than make the XV8 a Team Leader, enabling him to take hard-wired equipment. Then, Twin-Link (TL, T-L) the PR and make the MT hard-wired. This is another 15 points, so the suit is pretty expensive. However, it adds direly-needed plasma to the Tau and makes it very accurate. I run one of these in my 1500 pt list, and have not regretted it. I usually let it sit with my firebase, but if the need is dire, I send it along with my Shas'el (MP, PR, Targetting Array (TA)) to down things that need to be taken out before they hit my lines. Alternatively, I flank around terrain, or just use them as harrassing units. If you ever run into someone Deepstriking into your lines, a config like this plus T-L PR on your Broadsides will eliminate just about anything that does so.
I do something similar - my Commander is actually a run-of-the-mill Fireknife Shas`El with TA. He is the "missing link" between my Deathrains and my Fireknives - if one unit fails to do its job (or is destroyed), my Commander can fill the gap - not as good as my Crisis teams, but nevertheless quite satisfactory.

I usually have no Elite slots left for Fireknife Mon`ats; the only Mon`at in my army (apart from my Commadners) is my TL MP AFP MT `Vre...

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Old 12 Oct 2007, 15:04   #10 (permalink)
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the difference between an specialised crisis team and a fireknife team is that depending on the enemy, one is going to work very well while the other is not going to do much...

genmotty has said that by specialising your crisis is going to make the difference between winning and not winning... but i think if you do specialize a lot then one crisis team would do a lot, and the other nothing, and this is remedied by the fire knife crisis: it has good weapons for MEQ and TEQ, and good for GEQ... the problem here is the bs3... you can solve that by using markerlights, and, even if you dont use them, your crisis are more versatile than being specialized only in one kind of enemies...

dont forget that MPs have str: 7 and for MEQ you wound them with 2+... if u make a lot of wounds, power armour starts failing... they will be usefull always...

in my opinion, is better having good options against everybody than only one crisis team good and the other bad for fighting that army... and if you only have 3 crisis for facing that enemy, they can always blow up them with an impredictable move (teleported termis or sthg like that) and then is all done for them...

as genmotty says, write down ur army list and maybe i can give you some advice

hope this help you

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