[Hippy Pride]

I have come up with 2 possible tau breakaway armies.

1st Idea. Chaos Tau

Nobody knows much about the Ethereal's and their pheromone that controls the Tau. Maybe their Pheromone dampens the effect of the Warp on the Tau, reducing its presence in them to zero. It could be possible that if Tau strayed from the control of the Ethereals they would revert back to the Mont'au (crazed killing phase before the rule of the Ethereals) and regain the warp connection, Thus allowing Chaos Gods to pervert and control the Tau minds and bodies.

2nd Idea. Renegade Tau or Mont’yr Shas’shi (Blood Warriors)

A band of Tau leave the Empire (much like farsight) for the rule of a new leader. This leader could hate the Ethereals so much that he wages war on them. Eventually he becomes greedy and yada..yada...and becomes obsessed with controlling all of the Tau Empire. He creates a serum which repels the effects of the Ethereals and modifies it for himself so that he essentially becomes an Evil Ethereal. But being a mere mortal isn't enough and demands he is worshipped like a god. Genetic experiments are conducted on many Tau prisoners and this leads to self made psychic powers and expanded brain power, life span and physical strength..all the things your imagination can possibly make.

Note...The Renegade Tau are not part of the Farsight Enclave. Infact the leader of the Renegade Tau killed farsight and took his army for turning to the perversion of Necrosis.

Another Note...I am currently constructing a Renegade Tau army and am in the process of writing the Fluff for it. I will post my army pictures and fluff up on TauOnline when it is all completed.

[ForbiddenKnowledge]

I warn you know, this is going to get shot down.

I'm afraid you need to read the codex, while your ideas are actually a first (I've never seen that idea for "why" - not bad) its just not possible.

I'll post more later.

[Faolin]

I understand where you are coming from, but as I'm sure many people will hasten to point out (waits for Calmsword to show up) there are some holes in your logic.

I'll address your first idea first. There is simply no evidence at this point to say that the Tau ever had a warp connection on the same level as humans. Their lack of a connection to the warp appears to be racial, as there are no instances of Tau that's outside the Ethereals control (as the Ethereals are few in number this is quite common) ever showing any increased warp sensitivity.

Also, the Chaos Gods cannot simply "control" anyone. As well as the Ethereal's influence, the Tau have been subjected to rigorous mental conditioning (call it brainwashing or education, the result is the same) from infancy. This would have much the same effect as faith has on humans. The Chaos Gods cannot control you unless you allow yourself to be controlled. Faith in beliefs contary to their own weakens their power over you.

2nd theory.

For starters, Farsight leads the only renegade faction in the thousands of years of Tau history. He was a fluke, and supernatural forces appear to have been at work (in one way or another). However, that's not the main problem.

This leader could hate the Ethereals so much that he wages war on them.

How could such a person ever function in Tau society? The Ethereals are borderline divinity to each and every Tau child, so the likelihood of such a Tau existing, let alone rising to a position of command, is extremely small. The other, far larger problem is that Tau simply do not wage war. Tau killing Tau is their racial nightmare. In the thousands of years of Tau history there has never been a confirmed, deliberate, direct murder of a Tau by another Tau. It goes against everything in the Tau psyche, conditioned as they are to fear the Mont'au since infancy, regardless of the Ethereal's presence. In order for this commander ot wage war, thousands of his warriors would have to convert as well. A breakdown of civil engineering on that scale is so unlikely as to be impossible.

[CmdrBonesaw]

I completely agree with Faolin; furthermore, Hippy Pride, you seem to assume that the "pheromone"-control of the Ethereals is real.
Maybe it was in the third Edition Tau Codex, but this concept seems to have been dropped in the 4th Edition.

Right now, indoctrination seems to be the key to understanding the Tau`Va and the Tau, not some sort of pheromone control (which would be impossible to keep working, considering the small amount of Ethereals).

[Head Taker]

I'm interested in why you are trying to have renegade Tau fighting the Tau Empire. If I remember the codex correctly, and I may have read it from a web source so it could be completely wrong, there are instances of "renegade" Tau setting up as pirates and warlords who have served the greater good and the empire while being seperate from it. I think this was stated in reference to Farsight as a possible reason for his actions. Again, I don't have the codex with me and I don't recall where I first read that..

[Red_dog]

On renegade TAU -> for people who can't use a search function. I wrote and article on this.

http://forums.tauonline.org/index.php?topic=48542.0

Enjoy.

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For the record ->

For starters, Farsight leads the only renegade faction in the thousands of years of Tau history. He was a fluke, and supernatural forces appear to have been at work (in one way or another).

Farsight was BIGGEST known, not the only one.

***Read article for my ideas and explanation***

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EDIT: for people who trying to turn TAU into zombie robots who can't even go A-wall when they feel like it. -> Imagine the SCALE. Something you all forgetting completely.

Lets see...

Imagine a cadre -> Thats like a hundred TAU with equipment and possible kroot and all that. Now ->
Imagine Manta -> It usually carries 1-2 cadres... thats few hundred TAU + stuff. Now ->
Imagine an explorer class ship. -> How many mantas that ship has ... How many tau would that be ... NOW->
Imagine the SEPT -> How MANY ships does Sept has??? Ha! Thats LOT of TAU.

Now -> If 1-10 cadre will go A-wall ... do yo think anyone would notice? Or even report it to public? I mean you have to be blunt stupid to report the A-wall cadre to general public. That would create more stress, that something NO ONE needs.
Farsight was mentioned in the history of TAU because he was a great hero before he went A-wall and he commanded a LARGE force. He was too hard to cover up thats all.
All small cadres, who have reasons for leaving, will fall thru the cracks and will not be mentioned.

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P.S. On chaos tau -> Well, the only certain way tau can get under influence of Chaos for sure is to be at milestorm. It takes a lot of str to locate tau from warp. And their isn't much for return. So unless tau are fighting daemonic cults on daily bases, its not likely to happen.

Walk Tall everyone!!!!!

[Genmotty]

Originally Posted by Hippy Pride

I have come up with 2 possible tau breakaway armies.

1st Idea. Chaos Tau

Nobody knows much about the Ethereal's and their pheromone that controls the Tau. Maybe their Pheromone dampens the effect of the Warp on the Tau, reducing its presence in them to zero. It could be possible that if Tau strayed from the control of the Ethereals they would revert back to the Mont'au (crazed killing phase before the rule of the Ethereals) and regain the warp connection, Thus allowing Chaos Gods to pervert and control the Tau minds and bodies.

2nd Idea. Renegade Tau or Mont’yr Shas’shi (Blood Warriors)

A band of Tau leave the Empire (much like farsight) for the rule of a new leader. This leader could hate the Ethereals so much that he wages war on them. Eventually he becomes greedy and yada..yada...and becomes obsessed with controlling all of the Tau Empire. He creates a serum which repels the effects of the Ethereals and modifies it for himself so that he essentially becomes an Evil Ethereal. But being a mere mortal isn't enough and demands he is worshipped like a god. Genetic experiments are conducted on many Tau prisoners and this leads to self made psychic powers and expanded brain power, life span and physical strength..all the things your imagination can possibly make.

Note...The Renegade Tau are not part of the Farsight Enclave. Infact the leader of the Renegade Tau killed farsight and took his army for turning to the perversion of Necrosis.

Sorry to shoot your ideas down.

1st: Pheromone mind control is speculation. Although the Tau have a pheromone lanugue it does not mean direct mind control.

2nd:The Tau protection from the warp is natural. Nothing to do with the Aun Kais came face to face with an Aun and was still possessed. Additionally the probability of a Tau becoming possessed is tiny (like 0.000001) so for enough of them to become possessed to made a cadre is infinitely tiny (like 0.000000000000000001)

3rd: Tau can't hate the Aun it is like hating your grandmother who has shown you nothing but kindness your entire life and everyone has told you she is a nice person. It is indoctrinated almost from birth hence their is no possible way for a Tau to hate an Aun.

4th: Psyker potencail is almost nill in Tau so psyker abilities are rather farfetched.

5th: Life Span is a conversely issue, so its best to steer away from that. I mean we have a timeline that puts Shadowsun at 300+ years with Farsight, yet only Farsights lifespan is considered 'strange'. Yet it is also suggested that normal Tau only have a lifespan of 40 years.

6th:

infact the leader of the Renegade Tau killed farsight and took his army for turning to the perversion of Necrosis.

No. You can't mess with other peoples characters without their permission. Farsight is the work and creation of someone at GW and so Farsight is his/her intellectual property and you may not interrfer with it. Say you wrote a book and then I come alone as a fan and write a short story about how a major character in your book dies and publish it. I'm sure you wouldn't be too happy with that. Same thing.

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However...

The second idea is more probable than the first. It is quite easy to imagine a cadre becoming detached from the empire and feeling a certain bitterness to the empire for leaving them, but again not hating the empire.

In such a way you don't contradict Tau fluff, yet keep the feeling for your cadre.

Should be interesting what you come up with ,
Genmotty

[ForbiddenKnowledge]

Originally Posted by Red_dog

Farsight was BIGGEST known, not the only one.

Um... since when, pray tell? :huh:

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EDIT: for people who trying to turn TAU into zombie robots who can't even go A-wall when they feel like it. -> Imagine the SCALE. Something you all forgetting completely.

Lets see...

Imagine a cadre -> Thats like a hundred TAU with equipment and possible kroot and all that. Now ->
Imagine Manta -> It usually carries 1-2 cadres... thats few hundred TAU + stuff. Now ->
Imagine an explorer class ship. -> How many mantas that ship has ... How many tau would that be ... NOW->
Imagine the SEPT -> How MANY ships does Sept has??? Ha! Thats LOT of TAU.

Now -> If 1-10 cadre will go A-wall ... do yo think anyone would notice? Or even report it to public? I mean you have to be blunt stupid to report the A-wall cadre to general public. That would create more stress, that something NO ONE needs.
Farsight was mentioned in the history of TAU because he was a great hero before he went A-wall and he commanded a LARGE force. He was too hard to cover up thats all.
All small cadres, who have reasons for leaving, will fall thru the cracks and will not be mentioned.

A manta can typically carry 1 cadre. Usually around 80is infantry, with supporting vehicles and battlesuits.

The Gal'eath Class vessel can typically carry 20 Manta, however, not all will be standard fit, a large number will be configured for Space Bomber roles, although the change can be made if needs be.

Anyway. If these were humans we were talking about, yes this is easily done. The vast tracts of the Administratum lose whole planetary systems with disturbing ease.

Tau are NOT human. Tau are unable to rebel, at all. Farsight is the mystery, but it is still possible he is still loyal to the GG, but questions the methods of the Aun.

I'm not forgetting the scale. Tau are just incapable of these kinds of thoughts. Call it education, indoctrination, brain washing, funny smells, doesn't matter. They simply cannot do it. You might as well suggest that Space Marines have wives and children.

Farsight is the oddity, but it will not be cleared up by GW. But either way, he left, took his warriors with him, and set up fortified worlds that oddly enough, defend that edge of the empire damn well.

Also note - not even Farsight has raised arms to another Tau - until we know the outcome of Aun'shi's visit, then it remains that no Tau, not even the supposed rebel Tau, have raised arms against one another in thousands of years.

Remember, Tau are NOT, in no way, shape or form, human, with none of the human mindset, that allows for ego, or personal ambition. Tau simply do not have it.

[Red_dog]

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They are NOT human, They are NOT bloody robots either!

Orkks are capable of such thoughts, eldar are capable, kroot are capable... Evene Genetically engineered Smurfs can do that from time to time (mostly with help of chaos)... TAU can not?

You see thats why I didn't participate in TAU project. Just saying "TAU can not period" DOESN'T prove anything. Just saying that doesn't make it so. Simple as that.

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Also note - not even Farsight has raised arms to another Tau - until we know the outcome of Aun'shi's visit, then it remains that no Tau, not even the supposed rebel Tau, have raised arms against one another in thousands of years.
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Where did I said that? Now where? I didn't.
I said they would LEAVE. I never said they would fight another TAU. They disagree -> they leave simple as that.

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In short ->
If it is not as big as farsight, so it is inscribed in tau history books, doesn't mean it never happened. One cadre is such a small amount compared to a sept or even a ship. And it happens not so often. Thats why no one puts it in history books.

For "why?" -> Read my article, I wrote it for a reason. It is my last refuge of the "free" TAU.

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Walk Tall everyone!!!!!

[ForbiddenKnowledge]

Originally Posted by Red_dog

Rafe -> I Pmed you. You probably haven't read edited part of a post. I explained it there.

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In short ->
If it is not as big as farsight, so it is inscribed in tau history books, doesn't mean it never happened. One cadre is such a small amount compared to a sept or even a ship. And it happens not so often. Thats why no one puts it in history books.

For "why?" -> Read my article, I wrote it for a reason. It is my last refuge of the "free" TAU.

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Walk Tall everyone!!!!!

Aye, see edit above.

The problem is they cannot do it. It doesn't even cross their mind, they consider a lack of Aun a return to the Terror where they almost destroyed themselves.

The problem here, is that people "humanise" them. In that sense, yes, they can then do something like this.

But:

TAU
ARE
NOT
HUMAN!!!!

Don't humanise them, don't think they think how we do, they are completely alien to us, they have no desire for personal gain/power, hell they do not even have an ego!!