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Old 30 Jul 2007, 09:56   #1 (permalink)
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Default Kills of the Crisis, Part One: VS Infantry

I have made a database on the kills of the crisis suit, It is the completed form of something a started several months ago.

Teq-Terminator Equivelant, T4 and a 2+/5+ Save
Meq-Marine Equivelant, T4 and a 3+ Save
Geq-Geq Equivelant, T3 and a 5+ Save
Tyr-Tyranid, T4 and a 5+ Save
Tyr EC-Tyranid with extended carapace, T4 and a 4+ Save
Tau-Tau, T3 and a 4+ Save
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Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 1.1 0.68 1.65 1.65 1.65 1.65
24" 0.69 0.41 1.24 1.24 1.24 1.24
36" 0.28 0.14 0.83 0.83 0.83 0.83
BS 4
12" 1.47 0.9 2.2 2.2 2.2 2.2
24" 0.92 0.54 1.65 1.65 1.65 1.65
36" 0.46 0.23 1.38 1.38 1.38 1.38
BS 5
12" 1.84 1.15 2.76 2.76 2.76 2.76
24" 1.15 0.69 2.07 2.07 2.07 2.07
36" 0.46 0.23 1.38 1.38 1.38 1.38

Plasma Rifle, Fusion Blaster
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 1.23 0.81 1.23 1.23 1.23 1.23
24" 0.41 0.27 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41
BS 4
12" 1.65 1.08 1.65 1.65 1.65 1.65
24" 0.55 0.36 0.55 0.55 0.55 0.55
BS 5
12" 2.07 1.38 2.07 2.07 2.07 2.07
24" 0.69 0.46 0.69 0.69 0.69 0.69

Plasma Rifle, Burst Cannon
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 1.15 0.7 2.07 1.82 1.32 1.44
18" 0.74 0.43 1.66 1.41 0.91 1.03
24" 0.41 0.27 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41
BS 4
12" 1.54 0.94 2.76 2.42 1.76 1.93
18" 0.99 0.58 2.21 1.87 1.21 1.38
24" 0.55 0.36 0.55 0.55 0.55 0.55
BS 5
12" 1.93 1.19 3.46 3.03 2.2 2.42
18" 1.24 0.73 2.77 2.34 1.51 1.73
24" 0.69 0.46 0.69 0.69 0.69 0.69

Plasma Rifle, Cyclic Ion Blaster
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 1.37 0.88 2.07 1.65 1.65 2.07
18" 0.96 0.61 1.66 1.24 1.24 1.66
24" 0.41 0.27 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41
BS 4
12" 1.84 1.18 2.76 2.21 2.21 2.76
18" 1.29 0.82 2.21 1.66 1.66 2.21
24" 0.55 0.36 0.55 0.55 0.55 0.55
BS 5
12" 2.31 1.61 3.46 2.76 2.76 3.46
18" 1.62 1.15 2.77 2.07 2.07 2.77
24" 0.69 0.46 0.69 0.69 0.69 0.69



Twinlinked Plasma Rifle
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 1.24 0.84 1.24 1.24 1.24 1.24
24" 0.62 0.42 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62
BS 4
12" 1.48 0.98 1.48 1.48 1.48 1.48
24" 0.74 0.49 0.74 0.74 0.74 0.74
BS 5
12" 1.62 1.08 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62
24" 0.81 0.54 0.81 0.81 0.81 0.81

Missile Pod, Fusion Blaster
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 0.69 0.41 1.24 1.24 1.24 1.24
36" 0.28 0.14 0.83 0.83 0.83 0.83
BS 4
12" 0.92 0.54 1.65 1.65 1.65 1.65
36" 0.37 0.18 1.1 1.1 1.1 1.1
BS 5
12" 1.15 0.69 2.07 2.07 2.07 2.07
36" 0.46 0.23 1.38 1.38 1.38 1.38

Missile Pod, Burst Cannon
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
18" 0.61 0.3 2.08 1.83 1.33 1.45
36" 0.28 0.14 0.83 0.83 0.83 0.83
BS 4
18" 0.81 0.4 2.76 2.42 1.76 1.93
36" 0.37 0.18 1.1 1.1 1.1 1.1
BS 5
18" 1.01 0.5 3.46 3.03 2.2
36" 0.46 0.23 1.38 1.38 1.38 1.38

Missile Pod, Cyclic Ion Blaster
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
18" 0.83 0.5 1.38 1.38 1.38 1.38
36" 0.28 0.14 0.83 0.83 0.83 0.83
BS 4
18" 1.06 0.64 1.79 1.79 1.79 1.79
36" 0.37 0.18 1.1 1.1 1.1 1.1
BS 5
18" 1.39 0.92 3.46 2.76 2.76 3.46
36" 0.46 0.23 1.38 1.38 1.38 1.38



Twinlinked Missile Pod
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
36" 0.41 0.2 1.2 1.2 1.2 1.2
BS 4
36" 0.49 0.25 1.48 1.48 1.48 1.48
BS 5
36" 0.52 0.27 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62

Fusion Blaster, Burst Cannon
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 0.74 0.43 1.66 1.41 0.91 1.03
18" 0.33 0.16 1.25 1 0.5 0.62
BS 4
12" 0.99 0.58 2.21 1.87 1.21 1.38
18" 0.44 0.22 1.66 1.32 0.66 0.83
BS 5
12' 1.24 0.73 2.77 2.34 1.51 1.73
18" 0.55 0.27 2.08 1.65 0.82 1.04

Fusion Blaster Cyclic Ion Blaster
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 0.96 0.61 1.66 1.24 1.24 1.66
18" 0.55 0.34 1.25 0.83 0.83 1.25
BS 4
12" 1.29 0.82 2.21 1.66 1.66 2.21
18" 0.74 0.46 1.66 1.11 1.11 1.66
BS 5
12' 1.62 1.15 2.77 2.07 2.07 2.77
18" 0.93 0.69 2.08 1.38 1.38 2.08


Twinlinked Fusion Blaster
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 0.62 0.42 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62
BS 4
12" 0.74 0.49 0.74 0.74 0.74 0.74
BS 5
12" 0.74 0.49 0.74 0.74 0.74 0.74

Burst Cannon Cyclic Ion Blaster
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
18" 0.88 0.5 2.5 1.83 1.33 1.87
BS 4
18" 1.18 0.68 3.32 2.43 1.77 2.49
BS 5
18" 1.48 0.96 4.16 3.03 2.2 3.12


Twinlinked Burst Cannon
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
18" 0.5 0.25 1.87 1.5 0.75 0.93
BS 4
18" 0.59 0.3 2.22 0.88 1.77 1.11
BS 5
18" 0.64 0.32 2.43 1.92 0.96 1.21

Plasma Rifle
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 0.82 0.54 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.82
24" 0.41 0.27 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41
BS 4 0
12" 1.1 0.72 1.1 1.1 1.1 1.1
24" 0.55 0.36 0.55 0.55 0.55 0.55
BS 5
12" 1.38 0.92 1.38 1.38 1.38 1.38
24" 0.69 0.46 0.69 0.69 0.69 0.69

Missile Pod
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
36" 0.28 0.14 0.83 0.83 0.83 0.83
BS 4
36" 0.37 0.18 1.1 1.1 1.1 1.1
BS 5
36" 0.46 0.23 1.38 1.38 1.38 1.38


Burst Cannon
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
18" 0.33 0.16 1.25 1 0.5 0.62
BS 4
18" 0.44 0.22 1.66 1.32 0.66 0.83
BS 5
18" 0.55 0.27 2.08 1.65 0.82 1.04


Fusion Blaster
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
12" 0.41 0.27 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41
BS 4
12" 0.55 0.36 0.55 0.55 0.55 0.55
BS 5
12" 0.69 0.46 0.69 0.69 0.69 0.69


Cyclic Ion Blaster
BS 3 Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
18" 0.55 0.34 1.25 0.83 0.83 1.25
BS 4
18" 0.74 0.46 1.66 1.11 1.11 1.66
BS 5
18" 0.93 0.69 2.08 1.38 1.38 2.08

Flamer/AFP
Meq Teq Geq Tyr Tyr EC Tau
0.16 0.08 0.66 0.50 0.25 0.33

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Old 30 Jul 2007, 14:48   #2 (permalink)
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wow . i am so going to use this, thanx. did you get a cookie for thise? i think you should
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I like your database, it helps in some ways.
But lately statistics have been failing me very horribly and I don't trust them anymore :`(

But still great work!
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Old 30 Jul 2007, 16:30   #4 (permalink)
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Thats awesome, but at least some of your math is wrong.

I only checked the CIB since it is the most difficult to calc correctly. Your numbers are too high.

For instance, the value you got for MEQ kills @ BS5 was 1.13 when in fact it should only be .93

Here's the math to show my proof.

BS5 CIB
5 shots * 5/6 = 4.16667 hits
STR3 needs a 5+ to wound T4 so
4.1667 hits *1/3 = 1.3888 wounds
half of that 1.3888 will be due to a 6 being rolled so those are AP1 so...
1.3888 * 1/2 = .694444 kills
the other half will get regular saves so...
.69444 * 1/3 = .23148 kills
so we add the two kills together and get....
.69444 + .23148 = .9259 or approximately .93
So CIB MEQ kills @ BS5 = .93 a turn on average

Take that number of .93 and apply a 5+ invulnerable save and you have the average kills for TEQ as well.

.93 * 2/3 = .617

Anyway, I'd go back and spot check my work if I were you, you don't want to give false impressions of a weapons ability.

Other than that, assuming the rest of your math is correct(I'm not checking it all) I'd say a very nice piece of work covering almost every crisis loadout imaginable.
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Thanks for that Israfel, it has been fixed.
Your teq logic is slightly off, as it has them take both saves on the shots that are at standard AP.
Soon i will make Part Two of this, VS vehicles then later on a part three, vs MCs.
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Very good work.
I was wondering if I could add some additional information in the form of points per kill? And also kills per game and points per kill per game?
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Old 01 Aug 2007, 17:21   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah you're right aout the TEQ thing, they only use their 5+ Vs. the AP 1 roll and they use a 2+ VS. the regular wound so it should look like this

.694444 AP1 wounds gets 5+ save so = .694444 * 2/3 = .46296

plus

.694444 regualr AP4 wounds gets 2+ saves so = .694444 *1/6 = .1157

so .46296 + .1157 = .5787

CIB gets .5787 TEQ kills @ BS5

So we were both wrong as the 2+ save on the regular wound really drops the total by a lot.
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