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Old 25 Jul 2007, 11:11   #1 (permalink)
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I was doing some morning reading before heading off to bed...I chose to read our codex an lo and behold something jumped out at me I never realized before. I think by the wording SMS can fire into combat! Normally you can't draw a line-of-sight to a combatant but the SMS says "The SMS can engage any target withing range regardless of whether there is a line of sight to it or not."

Am I clutching at straws or did I mis-read/mis-interpret?
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 11:15   #2 (permalink)
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Well, "smart" missile...doesn't sound too exciting, just something that guides itself to its target. I'm pretty sure we're using stuff like that in our military today. So I'd say no, it's not some major breakthrough, and I doubt there are going to be any more weapons in our armory that can do that. Besides missiles, anyway, unless they can come up with some kind of "smart slug" to put in railguns, ha... ;D

As far as firing into combat though, I dunno. Maybe? People would complain though.
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 11:21   #3 (permalink)
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Well, "smart" missile...doesn't sound too exciting, just something that guides itself to its target. I'm pretty sure we're using stuff like that in our military today. So I'd say no, it's not some major breakthrough, and I doubt there are going to be any more weapons in our armory that can do that. Besides missiles, anyway, unless they can come up with some kind of "smart slug" to put in railguns, ha... ;D

As far as firing into combat though, I dunno. Maybe? People would complain though.
I meant the breakthrough being the possible firing into combat of course.
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 12:16   #4 (permalink)
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No you cannot. SMS does not need LOS, but still the rules forbid to fire into CC.

Also CC blocks LOS, meaning you cannot see past it, but of course you can see the combatants. So needing no LOS does not change anything in this situation.
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 13:17   #5 (permalink)
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If my understanding is correct, not being able to fire into CC is essentially a conscious choice of the firing unit. In other words they don't fire due to the fear of hitting their own troops. I don't think the idea of a smart missile would be enough to negate that fear in the hands of the trooper wielding it.

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I think that is a good fluff reason. Not to mention, we know Tau weapons are incapable of intentional/accidental friendly fire. In the book Rogue Star an Imperial vessel with Tau Railguns tries to fire on Tau ships. The minute they do so, the batteries cannot fire, and explode, destroying them utterly.

I would assume, therefore that Smart Missiles are Smart enough to either destruct or veer safely off course to avoid any Tau that may be in the kill zone.

Rules wise, I thought you just couldn't fire into CC.

As for CC blocking LOS, you can still fire "through" it, as they do not need any form of LOS.
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 13:44   #7 (permalink)
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This can also be countered by indirect template weapon. These may not hurt squads engaged in combat, even though it has not needed line of sight. So to infer from this that sms may not pick out a specific target in combat is perfectly reasonable.

The only unit i know of that can fire into close combat is something Wargamer was going on about in a RAW inconsistencies thread. Some sort of assassin?
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This can also be countered by indirect template weapon. These may not hurt squads engaged in combat, even though it has not needed line of sight. So to infer from this that sms may not pick out a specific target in combat is perfectly reasonable.

The only unit i know of that can fire into close combat is something Wargamer was going on about in a RAW inconsistencies thread. Some sort of assassin?
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I was doing some morning reading before heading off to bed...I chose to read our codex an lo and behold something jumped out at me I never realized before. I think by the wording SMS can fire into combat! Normally you can't draw a line-of-sight to a combatant but the SMS says "The SMS can engage any target withing range regardless of whether there is a line of sight to it or not."

Am I clutching at straws or did I mis-read/mis-interpret?
AS much as the Tau break nearly all of the shooting rules (when we want to), this is one I've yet to find a way to do so, unless of course the ABFP scatters into close combat. Then it's okay.

And I do not think the VIndicare assasin can fire into CC. You can't fire into close combat period, so it doesn't actually matter that he can pick out targets.

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