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Old 23 Jul 2007, 06:33   #1 (permalink)
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I have been wondering how high tau skimmers can go as the devil fish is quite a bulky transport.However in the artwork on many of the tau boxes it shows devilfishes in flight and in the air.if all tau skimmers are capable of open flight why do they have other air only vehicles.My second question is Fluff wise what speed are they capable of as on the front of the pirhana box it clearly shows it going at seemingly jet like speeds.I look forward to seeing what you think.
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Old 23 Jul 2007, 07:06   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: skimmer hights and speeds.

I don't know where, but I remember reading that Tau skimmers use antigrav to float and then use jets to propel them. This would explain the piranhas moving at jet speeds.

I have always figured that Tau skimmers can go about as high as our commercial jets. Tau would use other air vehicles because for lots of different reasons.
1: Devilfishes can't carry larger units like battlesuits.
2: It is much more efficient to use one big transport rather than lots of little transports.
3: Devilfishes can't leave a planet's atmosphere. (I am not sure this is true, this is just my interpretation.)
4evilfishes aren't heavily armed so they would be almost completely helpless without an escort.

Those are just off the top of my head, there are probably more. Also I don't have exact pages for most of this information so if you are looking for references I can't help you much.
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Old 23 Jul 2007, 09:14   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: skimmer hights and speeds.

Awright:

Accoring to IA:3 - the Taros Campaign, the following top speeds have been recorded (by Imperial Forces):

Piranha: 160 kph
Tetra: 350 kph
Sky Ray: 70kph
Devilfish: 75kph
Hammerhead: 70kph

Note that this are quite low "top speeds", I, personally, would take them with a pinch of salt, especially since the datasheets were written from an Imperial PoV.

Also, according to IA, the engines of Tau tanks consist of two parts: An antigrav-parts, which provides vertical thrust, and the jet engines, which propulse the vehicle horizontally. The Jets can also be used to gain height, but at the expanse of speed.

So, working this together, we find out that Tau vehicles ARE capable of "near-flight", but they are slower in mid-air than on the ground, because the Jet Engines have to provide both the vertical and the horizontal thrust. Typically, the Jet engines are only used to gain height when the Skimmer is trying to overcome an obstacle (or when it wants to board a Manta in mid-flight).
So, yes, in theory, Devilfish COULD be used as air transport, but they`d be very slow, and sitting ducks in mid-air.
And, as Oresshi already stated, Deevilfish can`t leave the atmosphere.

Besides, don`t forget that dedicated flyers are much faster than Skimmers, because they usually don`t carry as much armour around than battle tanks.

High speeds of Tau aircraft:
Barracuda: 2,100kph
Tigershark: 2,100kph
Orcs: 2,100kph
Manta: UNKNOWN
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Default Re: skimmer hights and speeds.

I would imagine the jets may have a afterburner type function, used for a very fast vertical or horizontal boost.


Also, as for height - imgine a harrier. When taking of vertically, its engines are providing vertical and horizontal power, meaning it is very slow horizonatally. Same would hold true for devilfish.


The artwork you mean I think is showing a manta deployed fish - deployed at low-ish altitudes, the jets will provide braking force for the tank until the anti-grav units take over at normal height. Otherwise, thats a flat fish

They won't be able to achieve true flight, like eldar tanks can, but they are damn good at what they do do.

Also - note the manta has a small etherdrive - not much, but might count for top possible speed.
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Old 23 Jul 2007, 12:42   #5 (permalink)
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Orcs: 2,100kph
its a supersonic Waaagh!!!

sorry, couldnt resist.

tau armoured vehicles are more akin to gunships than tanks...
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Orcs: 2,100kph
its a supersonic Waaagh!!!

sorry, couldnt resist.

tau armoured vehicles are more akin to gunships than tanks...
True to a point. (If you're meaning helicopter gunships like the Blackhawk, that is.)
I'd still argue that they were tanks though, due to the amount of protection they carry.
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Old 23 Jul 2007, 12:52   #7 (permalink)
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True to a point. (If you're meaning helicopter gunships like the Blackhawk, that is.)
I'd still argue that they were tanks though, due to the amount of protection they carry.
Indeedily doodly...

yes, they're kinda tank-y. but they float. and gunship is a cooler name than tank. so they're gunships. ;D 8)
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I personaly fell that when they are battling they maygo at these speeds, but if they needed to be quickly deployed I would bet that they could move a lot faster then that. Note Tanks sound cooler than gunships. Tanks smash gun ships sound like a ship out at sea with a shotgun.
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if all tau skimmers are capable of open flight why do they have other air only vehicles.
My best guess is it's because of something called aerodynamics. Skimmers are capable of flight, but I doubt they can reach the speeds of full on aircraft, thanks in part to their bulky shape, and likely weaker engines. Even with equivalent engines, part of that has to be used to create vertical lift, where as aircraft use their wings (as well as velocity) to create lift, thus their engines are dedicated completely to forward velocity. So why don't they use their hammerheads as interceptors? Because they'd be sitting ducks compared to other aircraft.
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Piranha: 160 kph
Tetra: 350 kph
Sky Ray: 70kph
Devilfish: 75kph
Hammerhead: 70kph

Note that this are quite low "top speeds", I, personally, would take them with a pinch of salt, especially since the datasheets were written from an Imperial PoV.

Those are incredibly low speeds. I think we need a bucket of salt.

The Devilfish, skyray and Hammerhead I could see... if they weren't skimmers. The Abrams does about that speed and its on treads. If they can't make something that floats go faster than that in 40 Millenia.... then there's a problem.

Also, I've had my car going faster than the listed top speed of a piranha. I refuse to believe a jetpowered skimmer meant for lightning fast strikes is that slow. :P
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