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Old 18 Jul 2007, 09:07   #1 (permalink)
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Default XV25's with Gun Drones?

I'm thinking of adding two Gun Drones to my 3 man stealth squads as this seems a cheap way of getting extra stealth attacks that pin. At 20 points, it's another FW elsewhere over adding another suit too.

Does anyone have experience of this combo? Is it fun? I just like the idea of jump-shoot-pin-jump.
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Old 18 Jul 2007, 09:43   #2 (permalink)
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In my experience , If you want tpo put drones in a Stealth suit team, you always go with 2 drones per stealth.
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Old 18 Jul 2007, 11:03   #3 (permalink)
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In my experience , If you want to put drones in a Stealth suit team, you always go with 2 drones per stealth.
Hmmm. By removing the Targeting Arrays and replacing with Drone Controllers the Drones weight in at an extra 20 points on what I'd planned. with 4 extra twin linked pinning attacks. I lose a point of BS, but my maximum hits goes up from 10 to 12.

Thanks for the input.
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Old 18 Jul 2007, 14:06   #4 (permalink)
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In my experience , If you want to put drones in a Stealth suit team, you always go with 2 drones per stealth.
Hmmm. By removing the Targeting Arrays and replacing with Drone Controllers the Drones weight in at an extra 20 points on what I'd planned. with 4 extra twin linked pinning attacks. I lose a point of BS, but my maximum hits goes up from 10 to 12.

Thanks for the input.
Actually, if you have two drones for every suit, in just a 3 man stealth squad you get 15 shots at 150 points, six of which pin. Additionally, your markerlight efficiency goes through the roof; two markerlight tokens means 9 BS5 shots, and 6 BS4 Twin-linked. With more markerlights, you increase the chances of the enemy failing the pinning tests by dropping their leadership insanely.
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I have been taking 2 teams of the drone and stealth squad teams and i LOVE IT! OK here are what i see about it.

First off gun drones have a BASE increase to hit by 5% Oh ya... i went there.
Seconed if im shot by anything and a gun drone dies well... thats 10 points and one shot off not 30 points and three shots off.
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Bad thing is due to majority saves your armor save is reduced to 4+. And you have to take more leadership tests. Also there is a larger unit footprint making it hard to Jsj. Otherwise it puts out enough lethalfirepower just a little weak on the defensive side so this has to severely weaken. If you have bad luck you may be in a world of hurt.
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Old 18 Jul 2007, 16:14   #7 (permalink)
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Bad thing is due to majority saves your armor save is reduced to 4+. And you have to take more leadership tests. Also there is a larger unit footprint making it hard to Jsj. Otherwise it puts out enough lethalfirepower just a little weak on the defensive side so this has to severely weaken. If you have bad luck you may be in a world of hurt.
Does the save move back to 3+ once you're down to 3 (or 2) drones? I have been concerns about the footprint, but I guess that's down to scenery.
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If I'm not mistaken I've read (in official GW stuff) that drones always make their saves before the model they accompany and the models with them do not have to take the drones save (ie. Majority save rule).

I may be incorrect, but I believe this point was already settled on in another thread.
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On the topic of Drones and Stealth efficiency:
Taking two gun drones per model is great and can be very effective if used with some tactic BUT begins to flaunt the fluff line. XV 25 units are supposed to be small, fast, and precise. The gaming aspect of this opinion is that your opponent will see all the fancy frisbee's and start focusing fire on your stealths.

I was toying with the idea of 1 shield, 1 gun drones. The invulnerable save could be handy, and it would make the majority save the same as the suits, to remove the rule lawyering of this strat.

Anyways, thats my piece, later gators
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Actually the rule is : There are more #+ saves than *+ saves, so roll against the #+ saves first, then the *+ saves. If they are equal, the lower save takes hits first.

So, if you have three stealth suits and two drones, the stealth suits are the first models to take armor saves. That might seem like a good thing, except that you HAVE to remove a model corresponding to the save rolled. If said unit gets hit with a plasmagun, that's six shots down the drain.

On the other hand, if you have 4-6 drones, then the drones make saves first. Yes, this can reduce the unit below half pretty quick. Yes, more models will die. But if you have a bonding knife and play intelligently, even non-scoring units can do significant damage.

I like to think of it, tactically, as having JSJ Fire Warriors with better Markerlight efficiency. The stealth suits are the heavy-weapons carriers, with either their burst cannons or fusion blasters. If you plan around the AP4 weapons, if you hit the enemy hard and drop back into/behind cover carefully, or if you know how to prioritize targets, Stealth Suit "Drone Swarms" can be a nasty tool.
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I preferr 2 shield drones and TA's for everyone.
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