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Old 09 Jul 2007, 14:33   #1 (permalink)
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What do you guy prefare to take?

A Shas'El or a Shas'O.
In my games i take a Shas'O all the time (I play 2000+ all the time). For a extra 25 points (not sure if i was allowed to post that points cost? its not a specific) look at what you get +1 to your WS, BS, (theres Pt's you don't need to spend on a TA), W, A and Ld meaning this guy can hold his own in combat (not that you want it) and in shooting.
but yet every list i see on here has a Shas'El is there something i am missing?
I know its in the fluff to have a Shas'O as a strat master in huge battels but IMO gaming terms he is worth it over a Shas'El all the time.

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Old 09 Jul 2007, 14:36   #2 (permalink)
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I guess in 2000+ games those measly 25 Pts dont really matter.
In smaller games though they can make a difference and that I would see as a major crossroads...
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Old 09 Jul 2007, 14:39   #3 (permalink)
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I guess in 2000+ games those measly 25 Pts dont really matter.
In smaller games though they can make a difference and that I would see as a major crossroads...
yer but if you take a 'El most people give him a TA and way so why not forget the TA and take a 'O with all its extra benifits?

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Old 09 Jul 2007, 14:49   #4 (permalink)
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I take the 'o in games above 500 pts...which means all the time.
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Old 09 Jul 2007, 14:51   #5 (permalink)
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I'm no Tau player, but as I understand it the argument for El goes like this.

The commander's role in life is to hide behind his IC status and shoot the bad guys.

Thus, the O upgrades are:
1 W: Worthless, since the commander cannot be targeted.
1 A: Worthless, since the commander will not enter melee combat
1 WS: See above
1 Ld: Worthless, since he won't be joining a unit or taking wounds
1 BS: Only good thing, but rather than spending 25 points you can just get a TA for cheaper.

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Old 09 Jul 2007, 14:53   #6 (permalink)
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yer but if you take a 'El most people give him a TA and way so why not forget the TA and take a 'O with all its extra benifits?
Because he is 15 pts cheaper...

Seriously the "benefits" the ´O has over the ´el are marginal, if at all.

We get more WS and I, two stats we will never need as the commander still sucks in CC, even with WS4...

We get more Ld, which is not necessary, as he will not join units to use his IC-rules.

Also we get an additional wound, which is irrelevant, as he will not be shot at due to IC, or he will be hit with S8+, killinh him at once.

Not worth a single point IMO...

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Old 09 Jul 2007, 14:53   #7 (permalink)
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The only O I've taken is the Ninja'O with the following configuration:

Shas'O PR, CIB, VRT, IA, Stims, HWMT = 155 points

I really liked using him, but will probably only use him in games over 1000 points. Perhaps when I start playing over 2000 I'll have one with regular upgrades for the fluff, and then an El as a secondary commander, but other than the Ninja'O or fluffwise I see no reason to take one.

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Old 09 Jul 2007, 14:55   #8 (permalink)
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yer but if you take a 'El most people give him a TA and way so why not forget the TA and take a 'O with all its extra benifits?
Because he is 15 pts cheaper...

Seriously the "benefits" the ´O has over the ´el are marginal, if at all.

We get more WS and I, two stats we will never need as the commander still sucks in CC, even with WS4...

We get more Ld, which is not necessary, as he will not join units to use his IC-rules.

Also we get an additional wound, which is irrelevant, as he will not be shot at due to IC, or he will be hit with S8+, killinh him at once.

Not worth a single point IMO...

EDIT: crappit, 40kEnthusiast was faster ;D
Well, it depends really. Some configurations are more suited for an 'O than an 'El.
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Old 09 Jul 2007, 14:57   #9 (permalink)
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I take the 'o in games above 500 pts...which means all the time.
Because he is FAR better?

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I'm no Tau player, but as I understand it the argument for El goes like this.

The commander's role in life is to hide behind his IC status and shoot the bad guys.

Thus, the O upgrades are:
1 W: Worthless, since the commander cannot be targeted.
1 A: Worthless, since the commander will not enter melee combat
1 WS: See above
1 Ld: Worthless, since he won't be joining a unit or taking wounds
1 BS: Only good thing, but rather than spending 25 points you can just get a TA for cheaper.

Not all of us hid behind his IC status. I dont for one i dont thin a commander should say 'im hiding here for a bit protect me in the name of the grater good!!'
NO WAY in lists he has a role, he gets a unit and hunts things down he gets stuck right in a kicks ass if i do say so my self!!

There for I find taking a 'O so worth it. Yet people take a 'El even if they do the same thing as me!!

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Old 09 Jul 2007, 14:59   #10 (permalink)
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the reasoning behind taking the el over the o is in the options for the that third hard point. since both are commanders neither has to worry about taking a multitracker in there or any other side equipment. so what goes in there for an o?
you can give him three weapons which gives him for choices, you can give TL which gives him more accuracy than you'll ever need. the only ones i can see being worthwhile is the vectored thrusters or the shield generator. these give the extra defence that they need. although there one of the most defensive tau they don't match other HQs.
the el is usually a better pick because players will rely on positioning for defence and go with a cheap character who can shoot the same.

i love bringing out my "indistructable" O.
plasma shield vectors stim iridium
4W 2+/4+ Sv FNP and H&R
this guy is a 200ish pt distraction that last for 2 or 3 turns. got some extra pts? throw in 2 shield drones.

at the end it all comes down to how you play him and how many pts you wanna spend.

have fun with it venom, that's the pt of the game

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