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Old 06 Jul 2007, 19:43   #1 (permalink)
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Default Tau Fertility Rates

Does anyone know the fertility rates of Tau? By rates, I mean per average "female-equivalent parent" how many young can they expect to raise in their life time?

For some scale:
Pakistan: 5.08
Saudi Arabia: 4.53
The U.S. is at 2.11
New Zealand: 2.01
Ireland: 1.9
Denmark: 1.77
Netherlands: 1.72
Australia: 1.7
UK: 1.6
France: 1.89
Canada: 1.48
European Union Average: 1.38
Germany: 1.35
Japan: 1.32
Italy: 1.23
Spain: 1.15
Russia: 1.14

The "Replacement Rate" is 2.1. This is where the population will stay steady, neither increasing or decreasing.

(America Alone, by Mark Steyn)

Now, the part this becomes relevant: Calmsword gave a very interesting statistic here. He claims that it takes roughly 15 years to become a fully-fledged Shas. But more importantly, that the Tau have less time to get to that golden 2.1 number(probably a bit higher since the Fire Warriors are dying more than natural occurances). But point is, how fast are they growing? Is there anything which says?

Here's a nice quote I think is appropriate:
"Youth + Will = Disaster for whoever gets in your way"
-Mark Steyn

If the Tau are infact able to reproduce at a fairly steady, increasing rate, then may the gods have pity on whomever gets in their way >
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Old 06 Jul 2007, 20:01   #2 (permalink)
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very..ermm...interesting article there Tralfgar...
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Old 06 Jul 2007, 20:06   #3 (permalink)
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Well there is very, very, very little data on anything non-military for Tau. However from what fluff that can be read it appears that the fio analyze biological data and make matched pairs for best results, how many of these occur for each individual and how often is never said. But at the expansionistic rates and the war cassualties on the current scale of the Tau Empire I'd expect a significantly high replacement rate to fuel the empire but probably nothing like the Imperium can manage.
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Old 06 Jul 2007, 20:26   #4 (permalink)
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agreed. At the same time it may seem (on colonization missions) that large numbers of healthy tau are put in Explorers and sent to a target world. In addition there seems to be familial recognition between Tau (which seems to be a result of institution rather than culture) which means that there might very well be the Tau family which grows and grows.

I would put my money that, as the Empire needs to expand, every Tau MUST have at least 1 child to replace themselves. Perhaps there is a 'rule of thumb' that every male must sire 2 children and every female must birth 1- of course, a lot of speculation is dependent on incubation of offspring- which means that you have to figure that out before you can do anything else.

I would say- educated guess- that its about 6 months of pregnancy. The Tau don't seem to use external wombs as they're culture is based around a 'do it yourself' edict- which is why they don't have drone armies.
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Old 06 Jul 2007, 20:31   #5 (permalink)
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I'm a big fan of the 'Birth is controlled' potential for the Tau. That is: 'couples' don't exist. A female can expect her egg-quivalents to be safely removed early on.

The 'fertility rate' would be entirely lab controlled, IMO. There wouldn't be couples, there'd be communes. The Tau certainly appear to be a society-oriented species under the Tau'va. It might've been different three thousand years ago, but anyway.

Romance, love, sex, babies...it's all society, all for the Tau'va. Love would first and foremost be companionship love, brotherly love. This is what builds bonded 'teams'. It's marriage insofar as the group are so intertwined in their personalities that they are a 'couple'...but with X of them.

As it's lab controlled, and as the original Tau Codex indicated exceedingly small populations in contrast to humanity (millions rather than billions on a similarly potent world/system), it seems to me that they'd be inclined to keep the 'fertility rate' (well, population level) 2:1 (steady).

Individual females don't count so much, because it doesn't matter who you're biological familiy is. Look at our world today. All the love and comfort of the family unit...and all of its failings. Like father, like son, eh? What about all those 'crap' people who have children?

The idea that the Tau'va Society regulates and oversees breeding makes perfect sense, personally.

All the love of a 'bonded unit', none of the failings of blood being thicker than water...because blood isn't important!

Incidentally, for newly accepted worlds in the Empire (like Kleist, say), it's perfectly feasible that the Tau'd want the fertility rate of the humans to drop as far as...0.5, 0.1!

That's why, IMO, the whole 'Kronos' incident (Tau ending of DoWC) seems not as sinister as much as a cultural shock. So what, the Tau neutered some repeat offenders? THE KROOT EAT THE DEAD, FFS! GET SOME PERSPECTIVE! :P

But then this is all in 'Xisor's Happy Land' where the Tau Empire more of an alien Empire, and less of a 'Blue-Grey Human Empire'!

Tau 'biological family units' seems really silly, when we (reasonably can assume that we) know they're not using advanced genetic engineering, just simple eugenics. To do this effectively, and make things for the Greater Good, and not 'happy families, all getting along' the obvious way is to abolish 'families'. Of course there's biological links...but they're not the important bits...!

(For the officially sanctioned GW stuff, I do concur with Calmsword, even though I feel that route is inferior to the one I propose)

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Old 06 Jul 2007, 20:40   #6 (permalink)
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I would say- educated guess- that its about 6 months of pregnancy. The Tau don't seem to use external wombs as they're culture is based around a 'do it yourself' edict- which is why they don't have drone armies.
Well the reason for not having drone armies can be also lack of resources to field them and drones not being so good on their own.
The funny thing that GW could come up is Tau building their Skynet and getting backstabed by it.

On the topic , being such strict and well governed society they propably have "breeding" programs.
Pre and during WWII germany had similar programs , then again allot of their women didn`t served in the army.
Now question for fluff experts , are all firecaste females serve in tau army or some are left behind ?
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Old 06 Jul 2007, 20:44   #7 (permalink)
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been a while Xisor-

ahem- so, I've never thought that the ability to lab control billions and billions (whole empire) is feasible, especially when there are so many outlying colonies and expeditions leaving the Empire for years on end. If anything I think that many Tau have intimate relationships but they require a license of sorts to have offspring (which they don't raise really as the Tau have the whole 'takes a village to raise a child' aspect).

I do think that the overall population growth would be monitored in order to ensure a better quality of life for every Tau. There is a family unit however, it just seems more of a left over from older Tau society (the Father son bit in Firewarrior, Shadowsuns sisters ect.)

But i do really like your Kronos incident, your absolutely right, its not like your being neutered because we're evil- but because you have some bad genes we don't want to see in your offspring.

So in conclusion- i would agree a lot with Xisor- but I think that there is some kind of medium between the Blue Humans and the Real Aliens ideas, maybe we can come up with some common ground.

ps: I have begun thinking of the next SUMMER AWSOMO GOOD THING GO NOW campaign and I realize that we- after Medusa- have a lot of power in regards to bringing the Tau where we want to go, so I think its useful to come up with ideas now to unleash on the world later.

pps: Xan- There is no difference between Tau males and females- they are really equals in every respect. I don't buy the resources bit anymore either and I side more with the original Firecaste doing their own job rather then letting anyone else do it (auxileries are necessary and are an embodiment of Tau'va). And Skynet already happened with 40k, its called the Imperium, if they did the same with the Tau i'd sew my eyes shut with my own hair...
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I would say- educated guess- that its about 6 months of pregnancy. The Tau don't seem to use external wombs as they're culture is based around a 'do it yourself' edict- which is why they don't have drone armies.
Well the reason for not having drone armies can be also lack of resources to field them and drones not being so good on their own.
The funny thing that GW could come up is Tau building their Skynet and getting backstabed by it.

On the topic , being such strict and well governed society they propably have "breeding" programs.
Pre and during WWII germany had similar programs , then again allot of their women didn`t served in the army.
Now question for fluff experts , are all firecaste females serve in tau army or some are left behind ?
read the book Fire warrior there is NOT ALOT of female fire caste members in the book so i would say that some go but most stay back..
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Old 06 Jul 2007, 22:02   #9 (permalink)
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they only talk about several fire caste warriors- Kais, that girl, and that techi from Bor'kan, the other three are commanders- the rest are relatively faceless.

Don't base things on Firewarrior, at least not here- too many of us have ripped that book to shreds, it was a bad novel written by someone who didn't know too much on 40k and was forced to explain a bad video game.
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sorry to anger everyone.. and yeah, the only good thing that book did was keep me busy during my winter exams when i was done...
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