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Old 01 Mar 2005, 16:51   #1 (permalink)
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I'm starting a new Tau ( I've played Eldar for years ) and for the life of me I can't figure out why emp grenades cost 3pts each and so do haywire grenades ( comparing say guardian storm squads with human aux's ) yet they are not nearly as destructive. haywire causes a glance on a 2-5 and a pen on a 6. emp causes a glance on a 4 or 5 and a pen on a 6. why do they cost so much and why don't they work as well for the same points? I know that with the new rules grenades are deadly ( emp included ) and fun to use. but what does everyone here think?
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Old 01 Mar 2005, 17:12   #2 (permalink)
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I don't think the rules are any differnt actually. I believe Haywire and EMP grenades work exactly the same (4-5 glance, 6 pen).

I think they can be useful but just don't over-do it. One mobile team with them can eliminate a tank or two, but if the enemy is that close, the team is probably in real danger of getting assaulted too.
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Old 01 Mar 2005, 17:55   #3 (permalink)
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haywire grenades cause a glance on a 2-5, pen on a 6.( Eldar )
emp grenades cause a glance on a 4-5, pen on a 6 ( Tau )
all for the same 3 points ???
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Old 01 Mar 2005, 18:18   #4 (permalink)
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I suppose chalk it up to the obvious answer: Tau are Tau and Eldar are Eldar... ;D
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Old 01 Mar 2005, 18:24   #5 (permalink)
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I suppose chalk it up to the obvious answer: Tau are Tau and Eldar are Eldar... ;D
lol...right on!
I don't see why the bother to compare them, maybe GW made the Haywire grenades more efficient because the Guardians that assult the Tank are fodder...but then again so are human auxs... :
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Default Re: emp grenades vs. haywire grenades

For game reasons, its simple: Fire Warriors are not MEANT to engage in that kind of action. Storm Gaurdians are. Hence, Tau get a less effective one, but they have the option for diversity.

Fluff reasons, Eldar technology is superior to Tau (The Eldar railgun is either the size of a pistol, a Submachine gun, or a GPMG/HMG), and for that reason, the eldar one is roughly the same in price to manufacture comparitavley.

I reckon these Chaff greandes are all good. Haywires are an amazing tool, I've taken out a land raider with a well timed assault on a few occasions, and the EMP could, in the right hands, free up an all-important heavy weapon...meaning you can take out an extra big gun/tank/whatever.
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yup, grenades like haywire and even emp work very well versus non skimmer tanks. They don't work for fire warrios anyway takign into account the basic role of a firewarriors so i wou.dnt moan too much about the price. As for who is more technologically advanced then that doesnt really come into play...the tau are far superior, and at the rate they are expanding technology and their empire, they will become even further ahead as time goes on. The points thing is as you said, fire warriors aren't really 'meant' to take the grendaes, i mean it isnt their primary role to grenade tanks! Stormies, it is, but it isnt to do with the osrt of technology involved. If tau wanted to create a tank busting grenade it would be the best there could be, but the ethereals arent interested in that sort of advancment (i.e assault squads) so they encourage development of long range weps such as rail rifles instead.
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very good points!! thanks for the input, I wasn't really whining I'm just used to blowing tanks up with cheap troopers and you are right Aunat Tau are Tau and Eldar are Eldar, they both play quite differently and as such assault items are not really something the Tau would like to use.

At this point I've only played 6 games with the tau vs. 100's with my Ulthwe Eldar, I am on an upward learning curve with the Tau and ask forgiveness in advance for any stupid questions I may ask in the future.

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