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Old 10 Feb 2005, 21:16   #1 (permalink)
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I asked this question under another thread but it is a specific question about ethereals instead of general praise/dicing. Does an ethereal allow a tau player to reroll leadership tests for shooting ( at targets not closest ) The rule for ethereals states a tau player can reroll MORALE tests, the rule for shooting says you must take an unmodified LEADERSHIP test. Players ( space marine ) that I have faced recently say NO to the shooting reroll.


what say you my fellow Tau players ( who are also facing across the board Ld10 space marines )
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Old 10 Feb 2005, 21:32   #2 (permalink)
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Ethereals only allow you to re - roll Morale checks not ledrship tests. Morale check is based on a units leadership rating however it is different to a leadership test. It does say this in the ethereals rules.
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Old 11 Feb 2005, 00:38   #3 (permalink)
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I'll go with kelsain, Ld and morale checks are different things.
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Old 11 Feb 2005, 00:51   #4 (permalink)
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Perhaps you should elaborate. Are we talking about pinning, fleeing from shooting, fear-causing units (are they still in?), assault, or other wierdness (C'tan). Keep in mind that the leadership checks for targeting did not exist when the ethereal rules were written.
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A Morale check/test is a sub-set of Leadership tests with specific results and qualifiers. Check pg 47 of the rule book.
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exactly as aun La said, morale is morale and has specific modifiers, Ld checks are everything else, look in the BGB index under morale or leadershp and you should have an adequate explanation.
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Old 11 Feb 2005, 07:27   #7 (permalink)
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Right, I know the rule as it is written now. But, when the Ethereal's rules were written, the distinction you are making did not exist. The argument then was whether or not pinning could be rerolled. Pinning isn't listed there as a morale check, but it gets grouped in when we are looking at fearless units.
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Old 11 Feb 2005, 08:50   #8 (permalink)
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Pinning isn't listed there as a morale check, but it gets grouped in when we are looking at fearless units.
Yeah, but they're separated for "stubborn" units so that line of logic doesn't work.
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Old 11 Feb 2005, 09:41   #9 (permalink)
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No the Ethereal really doesn't help you to target different unit.
It help the the unit is aware that there is a Ethereal so the must try harder and not to run, etc. (morale test)
But it doesn't help the unit leader to recognize the threat of another unit hidden behind others, as it is on the unit leader alone to spot the threats and manage the his unit. (leadership test)

The ethereal is not Tactician so he can't help with tactical decisions (like tests for targeting).
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Pinning isn't listed there as a morale check, but it gets grouped in when we are looking at fearless units.
Yeah, but they're separated for "stubborn" units so that line of logic doesn't work.
No, that was actually my point. There is very little consistency between the various rules governing the leadership tests.

The leadership test to fire at further targets is not purely a tactical consideration. It also represents the fact that a unit will see a closer target as more of a threat, and it takes more nerve to ignore it in order to fire at a target further away. That is how it was described in the development articles.

I think that you can't get the reroll under the current rules. The wording is not ambiguous. However, I think that you probably should be able to reroll pinning and shooting, as well. It might actually make the Ethereal a worthwhile choice once in a while.
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