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Old 26 Mar 2007, 15:21   #1 (permalink)
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  • I am preparing to write up some introductory fluff for my hunter cadre, and have some questions that will affect the story...

    1. What order would units would deploy from a missile destroyer? My initial thought is that they would deploy in this order.

    a)Phiranas for an initial sweep.

    b)Pathfinders/troops in DFs, unmounted FW's in Orcas.

    c)Crisis suits once initial LZ is secured.

    d)Heavy units, including Hammerheads and Skyrays.

    I also would assume that the Mantas would not land, and would try to keep moving. I would think that the DF's, Crisis suits, and Hammerheads could self-deploy using their thrusters/jetpacks.

    2. How would Broadsides deploy in this scenario?

    3. Would Kroot deploy as part of the Manta's contingent, or would they be brought separately by a Warsphere (or an equivalent Kroot version of a dropship)?

4. Would the Tau use more than one Manta to deploy a Cadre, especially if conditions on/around the LZ were unknown?

One last separate question:

If a Devilfish/Warfish is shaken/stunned by a glancing hit, can the troops it is carrying deploy in it's subsequent turn? This came up in the last game I played, and we were unsure as to how to handle this situation.

I have tried before now to find answers to these questions, and haven't had much luck...

I present myself before you to let the conventional wisdom prevail!

Thanks in advance...

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Old 26 Mar 2007, 15:40   #2 (permalink)
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I think the order that troops would deploy in is really dependent on the commander and the battlefield conditions.

For example I use a highly mechanized and aggresive cadre. The order of deployment would probably involve dropping pathfinders and kroot first with a second wave comprised of tanks and battle suits.

Kroot will often be transported to the surface in a manta, though I suppose they could arrive via kroot ships.

Broadsides and foot units that deploy by manta probably disembark after it lands, meaning that its unlikely for them to have a battlefield insertion, though its not impossible.

As for the rules question

You can deploy from a shaken stunned transport as normal.
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 16:54   #3 (permalink)
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Hmmm.
I always thought about it as fast skimmers, slower skimmer, mounted infantry, unmounted, suits.
Maybe broadsides deploy with parachutes?
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 17:00   #4 (permalink)
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1) I've always seen it as the Vehicles deploying first, with a PF fish being the very first one out, with a Marker Beacon, and nose-diving to the battleground to direct the rest of the Cadre, unless deploying at very low altitude. Next would be the battlesuits, they would be launched out of the vehicle bay next (I say launched because look at how they're in the bay in the first place, hanging from the ceiling...) Then after that would be the Firewarriors and Stealth suits up top via gravchute/jetpack.

2) Broadsides, if in the Manta would have to wait 'til the Manta lands. However, a unit of 3 can be "hot dropped" by an Orca into a live battlezone no problem. In fact, I would like a modified Orca that has all the seats ripped out so you can have another unit of 3 BSs in there. And that's Airbourne Heavy Support!

3) This depends on the commander. Some may get the Kroot to land thier warsphere and foot it everywhere, but there are others that are much more trusting. I like to think in my fluff that my commander is more liberal with Kroot, allowing them to adapt as they want, and also supplying them with Orcas all to themselves. Think of the benefits, here...enemy in a jungle? No Problem. Find his camp, send 2 Orcas with 48 Kroot each. Now have them hover just above the treetops. Kroot jump into the trees and make thier way down to ambush the camp from above...Also, transporting Knarloc Riders and Krootox Riders to the battlefield in Orcas, as well.

4) not quite sure what you mean here. Generally a Cadre will fit in one Manta. If they don't then they'd use two, but I don't see why the whole Cadre wouldn't fit. I usually figure the average deployment for a Cadre is a Manta and maybe 1-2 Orcas, not to mention the Kor escort they get. Not a force that any guardsmen would want to see coming over the horizon.
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 17:17   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Deployment from a Manta

For your question on whether a unit can deploy from a shaken DF they can as all they need to do is pop open the door not fire up the engines to move or warms up the weapons to shoot.
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 18:14   #6 (permalink)
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I guess it depends the form of conflict - if it`s a "hot" LZ, I`d send in the Crisis suits and the tanks first - they have all the equipment to clear the LZ and secure a parameter. As soon as the dust settles, I`d send in the "squishies" - infantry.

If it`s a "normal" landing, I`d first deploy Stealth Suits and Pathfinders, followed by the rest - tanks, infantry, suits, in no particular order.
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 18:41   #7 (permalink)
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I think that the Suits would be dropped first to secure LZ hor following heavy armour and DFs...
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 19:21   #8 (permalink)
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In all the fluff I've ever read, Mantas and Orcas are only used to deploy troops into secure areas. The transports move in, deploy the cadre away from the fighting area, and then the troops move to engage the approaching enemy while the transports zip away. In the case of the Manta, the ship might loiter around a bit to help provide fire support, but it will certainly drop its cargo before reaching the combat zone.
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 20:41   #9 (permalink)
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In all the fluff I've ever read, Mantas and Orcas are only used to deploy troops into secure areas. The transports move in, deploy the cadre away from the fighting area, and then the troops move to engage the approaching enemy while the transports zip away. In the case of the Manta, the ship might loiter around a bit to help provide fire support, but it will certainly drop its cargo before reaching the combat zone.
Hmm... yeah. So we might want to redefine "landing".

In the novel "Firewarrior", for example, a Crisis team makes a high-altitude drop from an Orca. That`s what I`ve meant with "securing a hot LZ". You send in shock troops first (dropping from a fling vehicle - i.e. deepstriking), then, after you`ve cleaned and secured a small area, you send the Dropships in and get the normal infantry onto the field - after all, Firewarriors are not really well suited to attack dug in troops without being in cover themself. Thatīs what Crisis are good at.
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 21:01   #10 (permalink)
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1.) If I were a Commander I'd have the Kroot and/or Stealth Teams (depending on the terrain) deploy a day or two before the main body of the Cadre arrived and get the lay of the land and such. Then I'd deploy the Pirahanas. After I'd deploy the rest (Excluding Battlesuits) in a mixed formation: Devilfishes side by side with Orcas, Skyrays and Hammerheads. This would be more tactically beneficial because your enemy can't just focus on all the troops and then the Heavy Support. Plus this would give support to the more fragile Orcas and Devilfishes and their troops. Then I'd have the Manta advance and drop the Battlesuits closer to the battle so that the Suits arrive more or less at the same time as all the skimmers.

2.) I don't know about Broadsides. Can they fit into the Orcas if the Crisises are being dropped from the Manta?

3.) See 1.

4.) Depending on what the Kroot/Stealths found and reported the decision would be made to use one or multiple transports. I'd personally use more because you have a greater rang of deployment options.
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