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Old 14 Jan 2005, 21:24   #1 (permalink)
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Has it been ruled that Drones taken as wargear take occupy space on a transport? Capacity of a DF is 12, so can that be 12 FCWs and 2 Drones, or is that illegal and one has to instead take 10 FCWs and 2 Drones?

This seems obvious, but since v4 is pretty new, I didn't want to assume I had the latest FAQ/Q&A.

Also, the FAQ I have states that all forms of combat (Shooting and Close Combat) now simply use the Majority Save rules for figuring out where hits are allocated. In the Tau codex, the Drone description it obviously states that "attacks must be allocated to Drones where possible" and since our enemies get a lot more attacks on us now it would really suck if Drones weren't capable of soaking as many in-coming blows anymore. Photon Grenades just arent' cutting it with all the True Grit that's out there now. For shooting, it's the same as before, but for close combat it sounds like Tau get screwed.
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Old 14 Jan 2005, 21:32   #2 (permalink)
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Yes, Drones count as part of the squad, thus they can enter. The codex states 12 FW's (including drones) may be transported in a DF.

Tau aren't made for CC so get used to it, heh, but yeah, basically it's what the dex states.
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Old 14 Jan 2005, 22:00   #3 (permalink)
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Well, that "all attacks must allocate" thing used to mean that an assaulting unit would HAVE to throw about half thier attacks or more on a shield drone for the first round of combat. Now, it's majority rule and it all goes to FCWs until the end when the drones catch it. Stupid ... or at least quite upsetting.

Besides that stuff, the codex says that the DF holds "12 models" and cannot carry XV suits. Now, they have the external drones, but if the Shas'ui chooses a drone controller and a couple of shield drones, does that unit count as 12 models +2 drones or 14 models, thus not being able to fit in the DF?
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Old 15 Jan 2005, 04:28   #4 (permalink)
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It counts as 12 models plus 2 Drones, not 14 models. Basically they're part of the squad, so you don't count them seperately.

and yeah, 4th ed kind of defeats the purpose of shield drones.
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12 models can be transported in the devilfish. That is 10 Fire Warrriors + 2 Drones. The drones count as models here.

The Tau FAQ for V4 states that the majority toughness and save rules overrides the hit allocation rules from the codex. That makes drones much more useless in mixed units in almost any cases.
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Old 15 Jan 2005, 15:39   #6 (permalink)
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wrong Aun Dolf. page 26 in the dex, under Fire Warriors, "If it numbers twelve models or less ( including Drones) the team may be mounted in a Devilfish troop carrier."
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Twelve numbers or less (including drones) clearly means that you can't have 12Fw + 2Drones. That is what the word including means. I am right here - you are very very wrong.
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If you want drones in a fire warrior squad in a fish, the TOTAL number of models must be 12 or less, as it says. Thus, you cannot have 12 fire warriors AND 2 drones in a fish... there simply isnt any room. Same as how you couldn't take an etheral and 12 fire warriors and fit them into a fish. That would be 13 models. you'd have to have 11 warriors, not 12. I mean, what're the drones gonna do, fly along outside the fish? Not gonna happen. If you want 2 drones with the warriors and a fish, detach the two drones already on the fish and have them float around in front of the warriors.
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Old 16 Jan 2005, 02:35   #9 (permalink)
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ah well. I don't add drones to FW squads anyway.
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you may not take more than 12 "models"in a fish so no 12FW + Drones.

Majority toughness and whatnot means FW take hits first.

and how does True grit matter to us? you cant use True grit on the charge so why do we care?

for these reasons stated above, Drones (exept drone squads) have been declare Excommunicate Traitorus and are hereby condemned ;D
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