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Old 25 Jun 2004, 05:40   #1 (permalink)
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Default Are there any Tau rules you disagree with?

I have several discrepancies

with the current Tau rules, and while I understand these may have been done for the

purposes of balance I still find them rather idiotic considering the characteristics of

the Tau race.

The first thing that bothers me is the BS of 3 for most of the

Tau. For a race like the Tau that specializes in long range combat you would think the

infantry would be very proficient in shooting... But no, they aren't even at the

level of Space Marines.

The second thing is the strategy rating of 1. For a

race that is more advanced than everyone, save the Eldar perhaps, you would think that

their mental prowess would match their superior technology. But no, they are classified

as being at the same tactical level as the Orks.

That's pretty much all I

have to gripe about for now. Maybe I'll add some more things later on.
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>EDIT: Wow, I could&#39;ve sworn I was in the Tau forum when I made this thread. Mods,

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Old 25 Jun 2004, 06:47   #2 (permalink)
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the Bs4 is for game balance reasons...and if you want fluff to back it up, think of

this: marines live for hundreds of years...your average vetern marine would be like 300

at least...and he still only has Bs4. so why would a fire warrior have the same level of

skill??

and the lower startegy rating: humanity has been at war for over 10000

years. they have had time to perfect their tactics...tau are only a new race, wiht fewer

martial traditions, so go figure
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Old 25 Jun 2004, 16:52   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Are there any Tau rules you disagree with?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BloodiedFangs
the Bs4 is for game balance reasons

...and if you want fluff to back it up, think of this: marines live for hundreds of

years...your average vetern marine would be like 300 at least...and he still only has Bs

4. so why would a fire warrior have the same level of skill??

and the lower

startegy rating: humanity has been at war for over 10000 years. they have had time to

perfect their tactics...tau are only a new race, wiht fewer martial traditions, so go

figure
The tau are a modren professional army, they should

have the Bs4. But dont forget that the average 300 space marine is useing a small cannon

(Bolt gun). And cannons sure arent very accurate
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Old 25 Jun 2004, 17:45   #4 (permalink)
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hmm

.....about the bs thing....guardsmen are (in fluff) usually the best of the best so why

would tau have any better bs
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Old 25 Jun 2004, 18:12   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Are there any Tau rules you disagree with?

Tau have BS3 as

thats the best you can get with training. SMurfs are super-elite, trained, and have

technology to aim accurately . Look at the conscripts: worse than normal gaurd, IIRC.

And the bolt gun is not a "cannon" its a "Rocket Propelled

Grenade" and THEY ain&#39;t very accurate... but Bolters are rifled, and so, are.



Besides, if they all ahd BS4, they&#39;d cost more. And since they can

already throw out massive firewpoer, its fair.
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Old 25 Jun 2004, 21:16   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Are there any Tau rules you disagree with?

I definately

agree with Zedd on all his points
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Old 25 Jun 2004, 22:51   #7 (permalink)
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I look at it like

this, 1 to 1 the Space Marines and the Tau should score the same number of wounds (

statistically) against eachother. They have to roll a 3+ to hit and a 4+ to wound, we

have to roll a 4+ to hit, and a 3 + to wound. The only real difference is the armor

saves, and that works out in the point cost, I can field 3 FW&#39;s to 2 SM&#39;s and

they armor save (statistically) 67% of the time, and we armor save 50% of the time, so

they save 17% more of the time at a 25% increased point cost.

If you were to

boost the Tau BS they would then be MORE effective at shooting vs space marines at a

point cost 1/3 less than a SM, that would be way to unbalancing, unless you raised the FW

point cost to 15 per FW.

Then when you look at basic troops of Orks, Dark

Eldar, Eldar, etc they don&#39;t get a saving throw against Tau or Space Marines, so the

space marines are 17% more effecient in kills in a 1 to 1 comparison, but again, for the

same number of points we can field 25% more guns, making Tau FW, in essence, the best

shooting squad in the game when you consider point cost, BS and the power of the standard

issue pulse rifle.

An example? Certainly.

6 Man Tac squad (90

points):
Shots Fired: 6
Chance to hit: 67%
Hits: 4
Chance to Wound:

50%
Total Wounds: 2

9 Man FW Squad (90 points):
Shots Fired:

9
Chance to hit: 50%
Hits: 4.5
Chance to Wound: 67%
Total Wounds:

3


So point for point we will score one-third more wounds than an

equivalent SM squad, making is the most effecient shooting infantry

I&#039

;m not sure I had a point, I just wanted to do the math on that.

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Old 26 Jun 2004, 01:59   #8 (permalink)
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Actually, marines hit on

3+ and also wound on 3+, while the Tau hit on 4+ and wound on 3+. Marines are

significantly more accurate.
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Old 26 Jun 2004, 04:08   #9 (permalink)
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Default Re: Are there any Tau rules you disagree with?

To the statement of

Marines living a long time and humanity being at war for 10,000 years: This is a valid

point, however if the Tau can mentally evolve so rapidly you would think they could just

as easily learn to shoot well and plan well really fast.
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Old 26 Jun 2004, 10:38   #10 (permalink)
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Default Re: Are there any Tau rules you disagree with?

I think we&#39;re all

takin the fluff a little too seriously. After all it is just a story. Tau

work in the game, ant that is whats important.
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