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Old 07 Aug 2006, 16:01   #1 (permalink)
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With the new redone tau it seems to be that the tau have a dark side as well. I've been researching and I belive that tau are becoming more and more corrupt. Think: O'Shovah was slaughtering enemies in battle every dec with his cadres. then one rotaa he was attacked by an unknown assassin. He reported back and after that he broke off from tau main stream to make his own enclave. Then what? Aun'Va comes along and declares him a traitor and makes O'shasserra the new tau champion. O'shovah is also known as the tau's greatest champion. He was even more revvered than Aun'va himself.

What does this mean? Corruption. Aun'va is greatest over all ethereals but the fire caste champion, O'shovah, was renowned even higher. Aun'va would not let this happen he wanted all control for himself and he would NOT let some fire caste upstart to claim greater allegence. So he wanted O'shovah removed. Hence the assasin. Ofcourse O'shovah survived being an expert hand to hand combatent (better than Aun'shi) but as soon as he came from the fight he realized something. This assasin was sent by aun'va himself! So to escape the powerful Ethereal's wrath he took his cadres and some tau citizens with him and made a colony on a small gathering of planets thus creating the Farsight Enclave. The story does not end here. Angered that O'shovah did not die he taught O'shasserra (O'shovah's student) to hunt him down and kill him. She too became angered and corrupt. So she vowed in her own ritual that O'shovah will die by her hands and hers alone.

To me O'shovah and his Cadres actually live in a better peace. They have only themselves to worry about (no other castes).They are not under control by any Ethereal at all. The civilization is practically built by Shas. So The Battle domes there are far more advanced. They also train in CQC. I think they have a form of sword (other than a bonding knife) that they use in combat. Ritual or not. I've been told by some friends that he only went away from the tau empire to protect and expand the empire into ork territorry. I'm not so sure on these facts but they came from reliable resources. One good source is wikipedia. look for wikipedia and when you get on search fo tau (warhammer 40000) or put warhammer 40000 tau

This ring of corruption will continue and probably this will cause a civil war among tau. Now it is your turn to speak yourself. please post
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Old 07 Aug 2006, 16:29   #2 (permalink)
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then one rotaa he was attacked by an unknown assassin.

this assasin could have been anyone, or anything

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Aun'va is greatest over all ethereals but the fire caste champion, O'shovah, was renowned even higher.
he may have been but the tau treat everyone as an equal, they treat everyone the same, so aun'va woudnt have minded if he was more popular/renowned higher than him, as long as he served the greater good

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Aun'va would not let this happen he wanted all control for himself and he would NOT let some fire caste upstart to claim greater allegence. So he wanted O'shovah removed. Hence the assasin.
Aun'va would not send an assasin to kill someone/thing loyal to the greater good just for his own benefit, what does he gain from killing o'shovah?

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as soon as he came from the fight he realized something. This assasin was sent by aun'va himself! So to escape the powerful Ethereal's wrath he took his cadres and some tau citizens with him and made a colony on a small gathering of planets thus creating the Farsight Enclave.
how would he know it was from Aun'va?in the codex it just says all the ethereals died randomly, if it was Aun'va than instead of killing them he would bring them back to him, they would do as he says because he is the highest rank.
farsight did make his own enclave but, not because he was running, if he was running he wouldnt have made his own enclave because then people know were to find him, who to target ect.

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Angered that O'shovah did not die he taught O'shasserra (O'shovah's student) to hunt him down and kill him. She too became angered and corrupt. So she vowed in her own ritual that O'shovah will die by her hands and hers alone.
no, he may have taught O'shasserra but only because she was still loyal to the tau empire and had no other teacher, if she was taught to hunt and kill him then first she would destroy the enclave, so they have even fewer ways of getting supplies and equiptment

she did not become angererd of corrupt, why would she do that? because her former teacher has split off from the empire? if she vowed to kill him then why has she not gone after him?


what about the dawn blade? where does that fit in to your theory?
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Old 07 Aug 2006, 16:37   #3 (permalink)
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They may treat everyone with no difference but! O'shovah still gained fame in all his battles as he fought and killed many. He was in more battles than most of the other Shas'O. So many new his actions in battle. It was the warriors in his cadre who spread the word actually (what i believe). He was a renowned by even aun'shi he taught many Shas'o to become great so you must know him by now
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Old 07 Aug 2006, 16:43   #4 (permalink)
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alot of tau ethereals,commanders, heros have gotten fame, but aun'va does not try to kill them does he? not even the imperium would do this[well not really] it seems more like something orks would do, kill there own just for popularity, that just means less people to help fight with you, if the tau did do this, and i beleive they did not, then there would be less tau loyal to Aun'va, Aun'va killing his own would be against the greater good so he would not do it
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Old 07 Aug 2006, 16:49   #5 (permalink)
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It's not popularity. It's that Aun'va would not want the tau empire to "break". He wants to control all of the tau in an equal way. but now that O'shovah has broken off it could cause other commanders to join his cause meaning a broken empire of constant war. Plus you know how the dawn blade is a warp power weapon right?

Well i believe that O'shovah aquired this during one of his many campaigns and he may have found it drifting on a world. O'Shasserra being the newly elected champion of tau is sorely embedded in the Tau'va so she would never ever betray. Aun'va declared him a trator to denounce any other tau comanders from switching.

If you've read Kill Team by Gav Thorpe You may under stand what im meaning. There the Air caste Coldwind wanted Commander brightsword dead so he highered a team of imperial to kill him.
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O'Shovah was slaughtering enemies in battle every dec with his cadres. then one rotaa he was attacked by an unknown assassin.
First off all, I doubt the Tau would revere someone because he "slaughters enemies left and right". Strict adherence to the Greater Good, selfless behaviour, sacrificing oneself for the Greater Good, things like this instill admiration in a Tau!

Second, where do you have this "assassin"-bit? sounds like paranoia to me. O`Shovah left (at least, according to the information in the `Dex) because he felt betrayed by the Empire for not supporting his troops, therefore causing heavy casualties in his cadre.
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Old 07 Aug 2006, 16:58   #7 (permalink)
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why would the empire break?the empire could already by in a constant war, you dont know if they are or not. why would some of the tau go join farsight if they better off in the empire?


o'shovah did not find it in own of his campains driftring on a world, he found it on a DEAD world and that was also the world were his ethereals died

CmdrBonesaw is right, why would he be revered for killing? its not the tau way!
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Well in the "dex" it reveals only some of the story. As to let people fill it in themselves. I've done research and other people belive he was attacked by an assasin and he then defected from tau main stream.

No!!!The fire caste reverred him!!!!! The fire caste being made up of ALL the warriors of tau. His cadre spread the word! Shas'la and Shas'ui were seeing his battle plans and vid feeds. He became extremely popular to the fire caste. then other tau outside of the firecaste heard about him and saw his battle report. HE DEFENDED A TAU WORLD FROM BEING TAKEN OVER BY ORKS!!!

I think we need more people in the argument. PLZ POST!!!
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Old 07 Aug 2006, 17:21   #9 (permalink)
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I don't think they are corrupt, they truly believe in their destiny as a race.

But as the old saying goes, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions", so too the Tau may, in their races youthful vigor, uncover/create some terrible darkness with their curious, well intentioned society.
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It is a theory, but there really isn't a lot of direct support for it.

There is little evidence of Farsight being much of a teacher. He taught Brightsword, but Brightsword was little more than a butcher. Puretide was reverred in his time far more than either of his known disciples. Make sure you aren't confusing the two. Farsight was very popular on Vior'la, but there is nothing to say that he was especially well-though-of anywhere else.

There is no evidence in the codex or elsewhere that the Tau sent any assassins against Farsight prior to his defection. Period. There is no research to do. It just isn't there. There is also no information on how Aun'shi views Farsight, nor on the exact nature of the Dawn Blade. Theories are well and good, but you need to keep the stuff that you "fill in" separate from what is actually there.

So it is difficult to say for sure. The Empire under Aun'va may be corrupt, or Farsight himself may have been swayed by outside powers. Personally, I see a lot more evidence that Farsight is the one who has become corrupted, from the history of Arthas Moloch to the design of the Dawn Blade, and from the hints in the Codex to the brutal conduct of his student.
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