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View Poll Results: Which would you choose in a 1500 point game?
3 squads of 1 Piranha 6 17.14%
2 squads of 2 Piranha 7 20.00%
1 squad of 3 5 14.29%
other 14 40.00%
I hate Piranha 3 8.57%
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Old 06 Aug 2006, 08:11   #1 (permalink)
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[size=14pt]CRIPES!!! [/size]

[size=12pt]the second choice should be 2x2[/size]



[Poll edited to 2 x 2, --Mal]
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Old 06 Aug 2006, 08:31   #2 (permalink)
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I clicked the Hate button.

Since you started incessantly posting about Phiranhas and how good they are i have grown to hate the damn buggers ;D
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Old 06 Aug 2006, 08:37   #3 (permalink)
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That's why I left the ability to change your vote when you've seen ther error of your ways. ;D
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Old 06 Aug 2006, 08:37   #4 (permalink)
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I rarely have room in my list for even one unless I were to give up a few drone squads (1 squad of 6 = 2 points more than an array/fusion piranha with no other equip). They're far more reliable than vehicles, which thanks to warfish and railheads I have plenty of anyways.

edit: Drones are my own favorite unit... But I can see their flaws; some of them quite glaring. They're more-maneuverable, SLIGHTLY more accurate fire-warriors with deepstriking. That's great and a bargin for their cost... but its also all they are. As reliable as they are, they can't specialise or customise, and can thus never pull off anything really spectacular. You know what to expect from them, but so does everyone you face.

Learn to accept your fishies faults. You'll appreciate more and use them far better for it. They're fast; damn fast, but they're open-topped, fragile, and better used (in my experience anyways) to rear-end a tank with a seeker volley.
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Old 06 Aug 2006, 08:44   #5 (permalink)
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But the question is, would you rather have a guided fusion gun and 2 drones going after that basilisk in cover, or would you rather try to deep strike 6 gun drones behind the basilisk 2nd turn. They could scatter into terrain or out of LOS of the rear armor, or they could go right off the edge. They could possibly not even show up at all. The Piranha is guided by you and gets there second turn.
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Old 06 Aug 2006, 08:57   #6 (permalink)
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They CAN scatter out if you're not careful, that's true.

But don't forget the alternative: You could get lascannoned on turn one, or two, or three, before you even get that vital shot off. All it takes is a glance; you're guaranteed to at LEAST not be able to fire that turn... hell it could fireball right then and there, the end. A Helios would at least get an armor-save against a bolter round, and still have another wound to go if it doesn't instakill him. And one wound on the drones? five more drones to go then.

And terrain's a very dangerous thing. If he's hiding in terrain then your fish might have to pass over it (can be shot freely if it 'flies overhead&#39 or be unable to fire also. And I can tell you that's a DAMN juicy target up there when those 8 guys with nothing to shoot at suddenly have line of sight to a lot of easily-penetrated points....

Its not like the fish has less problems to cross getting there than the drones... whether deepstruck or crossing through.

Remember: Lures. That basilisk is a threat if it gets lucky on accuracy. A serious one. It usually won't do THAT much damage but the threat is there, thus the pressure. A smart opponent KNOWS this. He'll do just like we do with our sniper drones and broadsides: Punish anyone who tries to get a clean hit on them, while they do their job and punish anything that tries to get in that firing lane, or hit the rest of your troops. That's what firing lanes are for. That's what rapid-response units (like jump troops or landspeeders... or even piranhas!) are for.
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Old 06 Aug 2006, 09:04   #7 (permalink)
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The speed and ability of a helios to arrive safely and timely is still in question. Also, by taking units with at least 2 Piranhas per unit, you'd get less worries from the odd lascannon/plasma cannon.
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Old 06 Aug 2006, 09:18   #8 (permalink)
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Boom. Stunned one with a bolter round. Do you leave it behind and lose it, or do you stay behind and keep going next round with both? Either way they've still done their job.

But please stop saying 'odd' or 'rare' .... these things are EVERYWHERE. Seriously. Only the tau have such rarity of special weapons. A regular IG platoon (dirt cheap 10 guys) is going to have a heavy weapons crew (missiles, lascannons, heavy bolters and the such) AND a guy with a melta or plasma. And that's the normal little guys. Any idea how many of these platoons my friend fields on a good day (and I mean good day for me)? a LOT, is how many. Those Kasrkin, hardened-vets,etc have even more of that stuff floating around their units, and we haven't even touched the vehicles yet have we.

I don't think I've ever stared down less than five lascannons, five missile launchers and 6-8 plasma guns and I-don't-even-want-to-know-how-many heavy bolters in any game against IG or marines. And yes, that's not counting tanks and stuff yet. We're hard-pressed putting even half that much heavy firepower out if we include our vehicles... not that we even HAVE heavy machineguns or the such for'em in the first place (I consider burst cannons a shorter ranged 3 shot storm-bolter)

Hell, they're open-topped, and that earthshaker's ordnance. Could just as well drop it somewhere inbetween the two and watch both of them blow-up despite the half-strength blast damage...
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One squad of three. I like Piranhas, they have good mobility, have access to good tank hunting weapons, but don't have the best BS (even with targetting array), so I feel more then one is in order. But I don't want to have more then one squad of Piranhas (which would be 1 in each squad), as that takes up valuable fast attack slots. Also, when you deploy your gun drones you want a bigger squad then just two, and if the piranhas are spread out, that is what you will get. In a group of three you have 6 Gun Drones, which is just a bit less then their normal squad size's maximum (eight).
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Old 06 Aug 2006, 14:31   #10 (permalink)
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I would go with 3 Squads of 1. This way if one gets stunned, you can keep going and leave it behind without it automatically dying. Also, with 3 groups of 1, you can get 6 gun drones... but they are not one big group of 6, they are 3 squads of 2, and that would screw up the Dev squad or tank trying to kill them before the gun drones kills the tank.
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