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Old 29 Jun 2006, 20:09   #1 (permalink)
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I've read what the BBB and the Codex have to say about firing from vehicles.

The BBB states that passengers may not fire if a vehicle moves more than 12".

The Codex states that gun drones may fire from a vehicle in addition to any other weapons that may fire, and count as passengers if the vehicle is damaged (that is the only time that the Codex relates a gun drone to a passenger on a vehicle).

It appears to me that the drones on a Piranha are able to fire even when the Piranha moves over 12". Does this sound correct?
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Old 29 Jun 2006, 20:12   #2 (permalink)
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No because the pirhana can't fire if it moves over 12".
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Old 29 Jun 2006, 20:17   #3 (permalink)
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I'm not seeing anything in the rules that states that this matters. The Codex states that they "may fire in addition to any other weapons that would normally be permitted to fire". I don't see how that could be construed to limit the drone's firing to 12" or less movement, except by implication.

Has this been discussed previously?
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Old 29 Jun 2006, 20:32   #4 (permalink)
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It cant fire if it has moved over 12". The drones count as passengers if the vehicle is damaged. That means, when they are attached, they count as weapons on the piranha. Thus, they cant fire when they move over 12".
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Old 29 Jun 2006, 21:47   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Question regarding Gun Drones on a Piranha

Whenever a fast vehicle (the piranha) moves over 12", it loses its ability to fire any weapons.

The sentence "in addition to any other weapons that may normally fire" then indicates if the main weapon can fire, so too can the drones. If the main weapon cannot fire (only happens when the Piranha is shaken/stunned, or moves over 12"), the drones may not fire
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Old 29 Jun 2006, 22:09   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Question regarding Gun Drones on a Piranha

I've never been allowed by my opponents to remove a gun drone on a "weapon destroyed" result. I've been told that they are not vehicle weapons but are separate models.

If the drone CAN be removed on a weapon destroyed result, then the 12" restriction makes perfect sense. If they cannot, then I don't see the restriction coming into play (as they are not vehicle weaponry).

In addition, if the drones are vehicle weapons and follow the vehicle shooting rules, it would be assumed that the drones on a Devilfish without a multi-tracker could only fire if the vehicle has moved 6" or less. That seems quite odd, as the drones fire using their own BS (and are thus not "tied inot" the vehicle's targeting system.
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Old 29 Jun 2006, 22:20   #7 (permalink)
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BBB Page 64 clearly states the rules for this. You cannot have Piranha drones fire if the vehicle moves more than 12", end of story.
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Old 29 Jun 2006, 23:00   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: Question regarding Gun Drones on a Piranha

They're either weapons or passengers, and in neither case can they fire at over 12".

This comes up sometimes regarding whether fish drones can fire if you move >6" without a multitracker. No, you can't.
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Old 29 Jun 2006, 23:16   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks all for clearing that up for me.

Can you remove a drone of you get a Weapon Destroyed result on the vehicle hit table?
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I don't think so, since it states that they count as a passenger when the vehicle is damaged. The only time it would be possible to remove any weapons would be when the vehicle was getting damaged.

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