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Old 02 Jun 2006, 18:00   #1 (permalink)
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Default Simultaneous Firing?

I have developed the idea of having two pathfinder units w/Railrifles support each others firing. I don't think this is legal, but I haven't read anything that is illegal. Anyone want to clear up and point out to me if this is illegal, and if it is, how so.

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Old 02 Jun 2006, 18:05   #2 (permalink)
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I have developed the idea of having two pathfinder units w/Railrifles support each others firing. I don't think this is legal, but I haven't read anything that is illegal. Anyone want to clear up and point out to me if this is illegal, and if it is, how so.

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You'll have to be more specific about what you mean by that, but if you mean what I think you mean, then page 18 of the rulebook should answer your question. If you don't own the rulebook, then turn off your computer and don't turn it back on until after you buy one.
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I have developed the idea of having two pathfinder units w/Railrifles support each others firing. I don't think this is legal, but I haven't read anything that is illegal. Anyone want to clear up and point out to me if this is illegal, and if it is, how so.

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You'll have to be more specific about what you mean by that, but if you mean what I think you mean, then page 18 of the rulebook should answer your question.* If you don't own the rulebook, then turn off your computer and don't turn it back on until after you buy one.
Jeez . . . Aren't you just loving, but I had both Third & Fourth Edition books, and a both Tau Empires and Tau & Kroot Codexes. Please don't patronize me. lol Anyhow, I was thinking if there was any possible way in which two PF units can benefit each other. I was thinking that both units fire their Markerlights, and the RRs in both squads would use the TL to use the other PF squads MLs and the other PFs squad's RRs to use the the PFs MLs.

SO basically it would look like this
PF 1: Fires MLs
PF 2: Fires MLs
PF 1: Fires RRs @ PF 2 Designation
PF 2: Fires RRs @ PF 1 Designation

It makes sense with the Tau to be capable with doing that and I don't really see an error in this. But on page 18 of the BBB (which is actually blue, but thats another topic), it only points out the unit must choose A Target. So I can fire my MLs from a unit at a TARGET and then theoretically fire my RRs at a different time interval. It makes common sense, sounds like 40k lawyering, and I want to see if anyone can do anything other than refer me to a page then attempt to b**** slap me for supposingly not having one, thank you very much.

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Sorry, but it won't work. Firing is worked out by unit. All the weapons in a single unit fire at the same time, so although squad 1 may get markerlight hits that can be used for squad 2, once you have fired squad 2's weapons you can't go back and shoot with squad 1 again. It's laid out clearly in the "shooting phase summary" on pg 18 of the BGB. "Choose a unit to shoot with, resolve shooting, move on to the next unit".

A better idea might be using a unit of pathfinders to up the BS of a unit of sniper drones, and help with the pinning tests.
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Have one normal squad with 7 or 8 pathfinders.

Then take a minimized squad of pathfinders, give as many as you can RRs.

1. Use normal squad to hit target.
2. Guide RR squad
3. Finish off target with flurry of seekers.
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Hmmm, sounds good Mech, I usually use them to try and pin units but that doesn't always work, so I'm trying to think of alternatives. If you lot have any others, like Mechs, that would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 02 Jun 2006, 18:50   #7 (permalink)
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might as well just buy sniper drones
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Old 02 Jun 2006, 18:55   #8 (permalink)
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It makes sense with the Tau to be capable with doing that and I don't really see an error in this. But on page 18 of the BBB (which is actually blue, but thats another topic), it only points out the unit must choose A Target. So I can fire my MLs from a unit at a TARGET and then theoretically fire my RRs at a different time interval. It makes common sense, sounds like 40k lawyering, and I want to see if anyone can do anything other than refer me to a page then attempt to b**** slap me for supposingly not having one, thank you very much.

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1. 'What makes sense to you' is the worst possible way to decided what is and is not legal to do in 40K.

2. Page 18 says: "Chose a unit to shoot with, resolve the shooting process for the chosen unit, then repeat the above until shooting is complete." Your "idea" breaks that rule, and so is not legal. That is why I said to just look at the page, because it is blindingly obvious when you do.

3. Tau upgrades allow them to occasionally split their fire between units, but does not allow them to break the rule I quoted earlier. When a unit splits its fire, you still roll all of their shooting at once, you just use different colored dice to differentiate the shots.

4. Is it wrong to slap someone who deserves it?
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But I didn't . . . :'( Anyhow, I was just probing ideas to use the PFs more than sit and shot guys. I like my units to be dynamic. Hence, I've used EMPs WAY too much, lol.
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might as well just buy sniper drones
Ditto, nice try Komrade Khaki, but I don't think theirs much point to taking RR in pathfinder squads anymore. Unless you absolutely must stuff them in your squads at every opportunity ;D.
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